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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 4797707" data-attributes="member: 11697">Edit: I can provide references for all of this, but I'm in the middle of dinner at the moment. Or you can just trust me. *I say this with the full irony of using a yugoloth as an avatar*The 4e material is set in a complete different world/setting than the cosmology of 1e/2e/3e D&D, and doesn't precisely apply here concerning the obyriths and the history of the various fiendish races. So ignore the 4e MM for the moment.1) I would suggest Pale Night, Kabriri, Bechard, Dagon, Dweirgus the Crysalid Prince, or Obox-Ob. Bechard and Kabriri for instance both seem to be well aware of the obyrith origin outside of the Abyss.2) Probably easier to control, and she wouldn't care to possibly empower a rival among the ranks of the obyriths. The tanar'ri were not yet a force within the Abyss, and so she spited her rivals and didn't risk herself by chosing a tanar'ri as her favored.3) Obox-Ob is alive, but diminished in power versus his original incarnation as Prince of Demons. The Queen of Chaos killed him, but one of his avatars/aspects survived in seclusion, and eventually managed to reclaim a decent fraction of his power.4) Not very many, but many more likely exist in seclusion or torpor deep within the Abyss. A more or less complete list exists in the appendix of FC:I, and a few others are mentioned in the pre-4e Demonomicons that James Jacobs wrote.5) The yugoloth mythology claims the baern created the 'loths, a renegade baernaloth named Apomps the Triple Aspected created the demodands, and then the General of Gehenna created the tanar'ri and the baatezu both. But they lie. That's what they do. More evidence would suggest that the core of the 'loth mythology is true, but warped and twisted to suit the current balance of power in the lower planes. Most likely the baernaloths created the yugoloths, Apomps created the demodands prior to his exile into Carceri (his exile may in fact have created Carceri itself), and the other baernaloths eventually seeded the first Obyriths and first Ancient Baatorians into what would become the Abyss and the 9 Hells of Baator. They appear to have subsequently abandoned them to their own devices, along with the 'loths who still believed themselves to be favored children, with only a handful of insane Baernaloths known as The Demented lingering to slowly manipulate events on the grand scale of time. Of course, the 'loths had no real way to control their makers' creations.The obyriths eventually were superseded by their own creations, the tanar'ri, while the ancient baatorians were largely destroyed and replaced by the arrival of Asmodeus and the first baatezu who arrived as fallen, corrupted servitors of an unknown LN progenitor race.6) How this ties into the 4e cosmology? It doesn't unless you want to adopt it on your own. The 4e cosmology is its own thing, and the depth of lore on the various planes and planar races doesn't really apply since they've been largely junking previous material and doing their own thing, for better or for worse depending on your outlook. The 'loths aren't even a distinct race now, and their general naming conventions have been followed at times, and other times not for no apparent reason (Mezzodemons in 4e, but also Canoloths in 4e).They could have done a huge amount of really awesome stuff with the yugoloths, but they've largely done nothing with them, and haven't really touched on any of the deep history of the lower planes. I don't know if they will or not. I would have linked the shard of evil that both corrupted Tharizdun and created the Abyss in 4e into some reworked version of the yugoloth Heart of Darkness mythology. Prior to the 4e MotP release, I wrote up something that did just that:</blockquote>

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