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Message: <blockquote data-quote="scadgrad" data-source="post: 2636358" data-attributes="member: 766">What EvilDmGuy said.I'm an old fan who sold off my entire WW collection before my last move. I like the fact that they've brought out a new version and really had too much of the old stuff anyways. Similar to my Hat of d02 collection. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I've not read all of V:tR yet, but it looks as if your campaigns won't be changing all that much. I'm not altogether happy about the Bloodline thing because it has now been splatified. Not sure what's in that book (V:tR Bloodlines0, but I'd like to have my Tremer, Tzc, Rav, and Lasombra back thank you very much. Some of the bloodlines are a bit dodgy or perhaps I just haven't got my head around the new Clans just yet. For the life of me, I don't understand the distinction, or more importantly the NEED for a distinction, between Daeva and the Toreador. Not that I'm a huge Torador fan, but I'm shocked that they're not one of the core clans.For what it's worth, the book is so yummy in its layout and design. Totally blows away most (but certainly not all) of WotC's magic-the-gathering, full color comic book crap imo.But on to Werewolf...I just won mine on Ebay earlier in the week (nWoD stuff can be had at a subtantial savings on Ebay...just fyi) and I'm waiting on it to arrive. I had a blast weaving exciting, otherworldly tales w/ that system back in the day. It was one of my all-time favorites campaigns. I'm disappointed to hear about the loss of the Weaver and the Wyld. No more Nexus Crawler I guess. I'm assuming that the Umbra's still there, but I'll be disappointed if the Garou (I believe they've changed their name...sucks) are now "Leach Neutral." Additionally, rumor has it that the average starting werewolf is no where near as dangerous as in the past. IIRC I had heard that WW was trying to "level the playing field" between the games which sucks really. Our group appreciated the difference and when we wanted to power on, rip-rip, tear-tear, we'd do W:tA and when we wanted a more subtle game, we'd go w/ V:tM. Maybe it was because they had played both games, but when the group was playing Vamps, they "lived" in mortal fear of the lupines, and since our tales were set in-and-around Nashville, they knew exactly what was close at hand.Anyone w/ the current edition of W:tF that can clear the air, I'd certainly like to hear your opinions.</blockquote>

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