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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5328639" data-attributes="member: 35909">Why on earth would anyone other than a Scout (who needs to move 10+ ft to use his special attack) ever get Greater Manyshot?&nbsp; The penalties are awful, the BAB you need to get a decent number of shots off is in the &quot;Oh, you have medium BAB? Too bad, so sad&quot; tier, and it costs a whole lot of feats that you really can't afford to spend.As far as your Crossbow Sniper idea goes, also check out Hand Crossbow Focus feat from Drow of the Underdark.&nbsp; Not sure if only rogue gets proficiency with it or spellthief does, too, but that feat is basically Weapon Focus (annoyingly required for Crossbow Sniper) and Rapid Reload in one, so it saves you a feat.&nbsp; Now, hand crossbow is a horrible, horrible, disgustingly overpriced weapon, don't get me wrong.&nbsp; But when your damage is coming from sneak attack and you need to be within 30 ft (60 with Crossbow Sniper) to use it anyway, the abysmal damage die and range increment are manageable.&nbsp; And you very likely will be feat starved, so it's a valid idea to look into.To help with sniping, there's the Concealed Ambush feat in dragon mag (and crystalkeep's feat database).&nbsp; It shaves a whole 10 off of the sniping penalty for hide.&nbsp; The pre-reqs make it a mid/high level feat, though.&nbsp; And quite frankly, if you're doing ranged combat, you're doing it to full attack.&nbsp; Don't give that up.&nbsp; Use spells that others have mentioned to get Blink or greater invisibility or make your enemies blinded or flatfooted.&nbsp; And full attack.&nbsp; With Rapid Shot.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5328639, member: 35909"] Why on earth would anyone other than a Scout (who needs to move 10+ ft to use his special attack) ever get Greater Manyshot? The penalties are awful, the BAB you need to get a decent number of shots off is in the "Oh, you have medium BAB? Too bad, so sad" tier, and it costs a whole lot of feats that you really can't afford to spend. As far as your Crossbow Sniper idea goes, also check out Hand Crossbow Focus feat from Drow of the Underdark. Not sure if only rogue gets proficiency with it or spellthief does, too, but that feat is basically Weapon Focus (annoyingly required for Crossbow Sniper) and Rapid Reload in one, so it saves you a feat. Now, hand crossbow is a horrible, horrible, disgustingly overpriced weapon, don't get me wrong. But when your damage is coming from sneak attack and you need to be within 30 ft (60 with Crossbow Sniper) to use it anyway, the abysmal damage die and range increment are manageable. And you very likely will be feat starved, so it's a valid idea to look into. To help with sniping, there's the Concealed Ambush feat in dragon mag (and crystalkeep's feat database). It shaves a whole 10 off of the sniping penalty for hide. The pre-reqs make it a mid/high level feat, though. And quite frankly, if you're doing ranged combat, you're doing it to full attack. Don't give that up. Use spells that others have mentioned to get Blink or greater invisibility or make your enemies blinded or flatfooted. And full attack. With Rapid Shot. [/QUOTE]

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