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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 6883020">Here's the language:That can (and is) interpreted to mean either &quot;is theoretically capable of seeing you clearly, regardless of what else he's doing&quot; or &quot;actually is seeing you clearly.&quot;&nbsp; Both are valid interpretations.For DMs who like stealth, or at least are willing to let players who like stealth actually enjoy being stealthy, the latter interpretation means&nbsp; that you can assume that guards sometimes turn around, or doze off, or talk to each other, and that a good ninja knows how to time movement (or use distractions) so that they are never directly observed.&nbsp; So let's say you're in a brightly lit hall with a few columns, and at the far end is a doorway with a guard.&nbsp; Can you stealth past?&nbsp; If the DM wants to let you try, the narration would be that the stealther starts off fully Hidden, then slips from column to column when the guard isn't paying attention, and then finally...perhaps rolling with disadvantage...throws a pebble behind the guard to make him turn around and then sneaks up right behind him. As the now suspicious guard whirls back around to peer at the hall, the stealther moves with him, always staying out of his peripheral vision, and then quietly slips through the doorway.Again, a DM doesn't have to allow this to occur, but if you want to allow &quot;cinematic&quot; stealth you can, without breaking RAW.The problem I have with the much stricter interpretation of &quot;can see you&quot; could be taken so far as to mean that the stealther can't even peer from around the first column to see what the guard is doing, because at that point the guard &quot;can&quot; see him clearly.&nbsp; That doesn't sound like any fun to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 6883020"] Here's the language: That can (and is) interpreted to mean either "is theoretically capable of seeing you clearly, regardless of what else he's doing" or "actually is seeing you clearly." Both are valid interpretations. For DMs who like stealth, or at least are willing to let players who like stealth actually enjoy being stealthy, the latter interpretation means that you can assume that guards sometimes turn around, or doze off, or talk to each other, and that a good ninja knows how to time movement (or use distractions) so that they are never directly observed. So let's say you're in a brightly lit hall with a few columns, and at the far end is a doorway with a guard. Can you stealth past? If the DM wants to let you try, the narration would be that the stealther starts off fully Hidden, then slips from column to column when the guard isn't paying attention, and then finally...perhaps rolling with disadvantage...throws a pebble behind the guard to make him turn around and then sneaks up right behind him. As the now suspicious guard whirls back around to peer at the hall, the stealther moves with him, always staying out of his peripheral vision, and then quietly slips through the doorway. Again, a DM doesn't [I]have[/I] to allow this to occur, but if you want to allow "cinematic" stealth you can, without breaking RAW. The problem I have with the much stricter interpretation of "can see you" could be taken so far as to mean that the stealther can't even peer from around the first column to see what the guard is doing, because at that point the guard "can" see him clearly. That doesn't sound like any fun to me. [/QUOTE]

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