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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5011068" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>Unfortunately, Skirmish was errata'd to not include mounted (so much for a class to represent Mongol warriors). Then again, one of the dragon mags (and it's on crystalkeep) has a vraiant that allows it while mounted but not on foot. So for a dedicated mounted PC, it's not a big deal. On a boat I would definitely say no to skirmish, except possibly against things not on the boat. If the target is also on the boat, he's moving the same direction and distance as you, and simultaneously, so I'd just rule that the designers meant "relative motion." Flying carpet is trickier. Without errata, it's probably ok. With errata, it's not, and probably there is nothing you can do to actually make it work, which is lame IMO. Even against things not on a boat, though, I'd lean towards no, jsut because of the awkwardness and the fact ship movement is typically done at a set time each round, while skirmish depends upon moving on your turn.</p><p></p><p>Overchannel cheese sounds like it'd work, and I don't see how it would get that bad. How are they getting the temp hp? The best method would be Minor Shapechange, but that's only available to a high level wiz/psion or sorc/wilder, since you need a polymorph spell to power it. Using Vigor power costs PP and possiblly an action to use in combat. Stone Power would be an interestintg method for a Psychic Warrior using melee powers (take up to -5 to hit, and get 2x that penalty as temp hp for one round), but...is anyone actually afraid of Psywars breaking overchannel? Seems no less abusive than the trick Crusaders can do with their delayed damage pool to not only effectively have "DR 10" one the first attack they suffer per round, but to ALSO gain Furious Counterstrike benefits (class feature, do +1 attack/dage per 5 points of damage suffered, limited in bonus by class level) while doing so. And that "trick" was written into the Tome of Battle mechanics on purpose.</p><p></p><p>Unless someone has a more broken example, I don't see why it's a big deal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5011068, member: 35909"] Unfortunately, Skirmish was errata'd to not include mounted (so much for a class to represent Mongol warriors). Then again, one of the dragon mags (and it's on crystalkeep) has a vraiant that allows it while mounted but not on foot. So for a dedicated mounted PC, it's not a big deal. On a boat I would definitely say no to skirmish, except possibly against things not on the boat. If the target is also on the boat, he's moving the same direction and distance as you, and simultaneously, so I'd just rule that the designers meant "relative motion." Flying carpet is trickier. Without errata, it's probably ok. With errata, it's not, and probably there is nothing you can do to actually make it work, which is lame IMO. Even against things not on a boat, though, I'd lean towards no, jsut because of the awkwardness and the fact ship movement is typically done at a set time each round, while skirmish depends upon moving on your turn. Overchannel cheese sounds like it'd work, and I don't see how it would get that bad. How are they getting the temp hp? The best method would be Minor Shapechange, but that's only available to a high level wiz/psion or sorc/wilder, since you need a polymorph spell to power it. Using Vigor power costs PP and possiblly an action to use in combat. Stone Power would be an interestintg method for a Psychic Warrior using melee powers (take up to -5 to hit, and get 2x that penalty as temp hp for one round), but...is anyone actually afraid of Psywars breaking overchannel? Seems no less abusive than the trick Crusaders can do with their delayed damage pool to not only effectively have "DR 10" one the first attack they suffer per round, but to ALSO gain Furious Counterstrike benefits (class feature, do +1 attack/dage per 5 points of damage suffered, limited in bonus by class level) while doing so. And that "trick" was written into the Tome of Battle mechanics on purpose. Unless someone has a more broken example, I don't see why it's a big deal. [/QUOTE]
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