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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheGogmagog" data-source="post: 2516340" data-attributes="member: 27702">My opinion when I started reading this was that you couldn't summon/gate/polymorph advanced HD.  In my previous opinion almost all Ropers were 7 HD, and the ones advanced to 15 HD would be almost as rare as ones with 8 levels of rogue.After reading Infiniti's argument I realize how rare it would be for 90% of the Ropers to all have 7 HD.  There is an advancement note for a reason and the Ropers are bound to have a range of HD, sure there will be more 7 than 15 HD, but 15 HD wouldn't be unique.  What I did when running games, add class levels, would be rare. I also disagree with Infiniti's claim that asking for anything more than what appears in the MM is metagaming.  Characters do have a sense of size, and asking for a Huge Creature is perfectly reasonable.  Although I think it states that characters don't have a sense of level, I disagree with this or a character would never ask for a restoration from level drain.  The term for the character might not be level or HD, but to ask for in-game wording is silly unless you have developed an in game language that your players must speak in.I could see a DM making you summon the base creature first, and then ask for a more powerful one or inching up in increments.  I recall something about summoning spells being able to summon the same creature each time. That creature would also go up in level/HD eventually, probably not 10 levels in two weeks to keep up with your character though.</blockquote>

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