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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 2517590" data-attributes="member: 224"><p>In this case, each of the "Dark Eight" would be a deity-level (and unique!) creature, and thus not compelled. After all, the text says: "Deities and unique beings"...and in many campaigns each of the Dark Eight would qualify for both designations.</p><p></p><p>Really, this is not a difficult distinction. The only difficulty might be in how small (or large, as Infiniti2000 points out!) your "kind of being" group-size can be and still be legitimate, or if the "kind of being" is a deity. (In some campaign materials, it seems like everyone's a deity...)</p><p></p><p>In fact, we might make the arguement that those creatures within a specific "kind of being" group for which you have a name are each unique, and therefore not compelled. The rest of that group could be compelled, etc.</p><p></p><p>FWIW, and completely IMHO, here's why I think this ruling is the correct one: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The spell balance comes from the HD limit, principally. Even advanced monsters are balanced in this way. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The spell breaks, in my view, when you can compell one particular creature (a unique being) to come. Re: Infiniti2000's posts.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Moreover, being able to compell any named (and thus unique) creature allows you to do all sorts of nasty things to your enemies for free...so long as they don't do it to you first. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></li> </ul><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">Sorry it's taking me so long to respond....my teaching load is higher this week, as it's the beginning of classes.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nail, post: 2517590, member: 224"] In this case, each of the "Dark Eight" would be a deity-level (and unique!) creature, and thus not compelled. After all, the text says: "Deities and unique beings"...and in many campaigns each of the Dark Eight would qualify for both designations. Really, this is not a difficult distinction. The only difficulty might be in how small (or large, as Infiniti2000 points out!) your "kind of being" group-size can be and still be legitimate, or if the "kind of being" is a deity. (In some campaign materials, it seems like everyone's a deity...) In fact, we might make the arguement that those creatures within a specific "kind of being" group for which you have a name are each unique, and therefore not compelled. The rest of that group could be compelled, etc. FWIW, and completely IMHO, here's why I think this ruling is the correct one:[list][*]The spell balance comes from the HD limit, principally. Even advanced monsters are balanced in this way. [*]The spell breaks, in my view, when you can compell one particular creature (a unique being) to come. Re: Infiniti2000's posts. [*]Moreover, being able to compell any named (and thus unique) creature allows you to do all sorts of nasty things to your enemies for free...so long as they don't do it to you first. :)[/list] [size=1]Sorry it's taking me so long to respond....my teaching load is higher this week, as it's the beginning of classes.[/size] [/QUOTE]
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