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<blockquote data-quote="Desh-Rae-Halra" data-source="post: 7678759" data-attributes="member: 81852"><p>Hi Greg,</p><p></p><p>Thanks for posting and giving some more details. </p><p>All I can tell you is how it looked to me, as a backer of both ToH and ToH2.</p><p>From the outside, it looked like FGG had a knee jerk reaction of "hey, we arent a part of this/we got screwed too" in terms of trying to help the backers out. It was clear though, at least in the case of Skeeter Green, that he had at least tried to reach out and help Solarz, but was denied.</p><p></p><p>To be clear,I am not saying the Mortal Arrow deal was great. Even he admitted it was kind of vulture like in that he was going to try and pick up a project that was dying and turn it into some kind of profit. That's maybe capitalism at its finest. </p><p>From the outside, it really looked like FGG didn't even try to negotiate anything. Maybe that was a defensive response after just being burned and not wanting to risk it again, and I can understand that. It just seemed like from the outside there was the first round of negotiation (if we can even call it that) and it was abruptly over, as if you had to concede to 100% of Mortal Arrow's deal or it was off. If he leveraged it that way, I think backers might have been more forgiving of FGG, because you do deserve something for your IP, I dont think anyone contests that (and if they do, that makes them an idiot in my book). </p><p></p><p>The one point that actually surprised me was hearing that FGG still would like a way to make it up to the backers. Of course FGG can't refund every backer, I dont think anyone expected that from FGG. It just would have been nice to have some kind of gesture of goodwill, something like FGG saying "Hey, we hate how this turned out, and we know you got burned. We cant make the minis happen, but we can offer X". But instead it was just silence after the Mortal Arrow thing which kind of turned into a pissing match. </p><p></p><p>Also, there were less than 672 backers between both projects, so it's not 4 cents a backer, it is actually closer to $11.90 if you were dividing the $8000 up, and assuming every backer got one check, regardless if they backed one or both. </p><p></p><p>This is probably naive on my part, but it seems like when you already have PDFs up on the FGG store, it doesnt cost much to offer one of those up (meaning you dont have any printing or shipping costs, just your server maintenance/webspace, etc.). Maybe in hindsight it would have been a good idea, and a clear show of goodwill, to have offered up some kind of PDF credit, or just picked a few PDFs and distributed them to backers if they submitted an email with a screenshot of their KS pledge to ToH or ToH2 by a certain date. </p><p></p><p>I dont think a check in the mail is the answer frankly. Everyone involved with the ToH and ToH2 projects (with maybe the exception of Kickstarter and Matt Solarz himself) has taken a loss.</p><p></p><p>At this point the only way to contact all backers would be via snail mail, and that would run about $350 in postage alone (assuming each backer required a 49 cent stamp, a postcard format would be likely be cheaper) </p><p>I can only get a hold of about 112 via email/facebook. </p><p></p><p>The backers names and addresses are listed on the CSM petition and schedules for when Matt Solarz declared Bankruptcy. I have a PDF of that form if you want it, though not all the addresses are accurate. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, I appreciate you posting in detail and being open to the unpleasant feelings.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desh-Rae-Halra, post: 7678759, member: 81852"] Hi Greg, Thanks for posting and giving some more details. All I can tell you is how it looked to me, as a backer of both ToH and ToH2. From the outside, it looked like FGG had a knee jerk reaction of "hey, we arent a part of this/we got screwed too" in terms of trying to help the backers out. It was clear though, at least in the case of Skeeter Green, that he had at least tried to reach out and help Solarz, but was denied. To be clear,I am not saying the Mortal Arrow deal was great. Even he admitted it was kind of vulture like in that he was going to try and pick up a project that was dying and turn it into some kind of profit. That's maybe capitalism at its finest. From the outside, it really looked like FGG didn't even try to negotiate anything. Maybe that was a defensive response after just being burned and not wanting to risk it again, and I can understand that. It just seemed like from the outside there was the first round of negotiation (if we can even call it that) and it was abruptly over, as if you had to concede to 100% of Mortal Arrow's deal or it was off. If he leveraged it that way, I think backers might have been more forgiving of FGG, because you do deserve something for your IP, I dont think anyone contests that (and if they do, that makes them an idiot in my book). The one point that actually surprised me was hearing that FGG still would like a way to make it up to the backers. Of course FGG can't refund every backer, I dont think anyone expected that from FGG. It just would have been nice to have some kind of gesture of goodwill, something like FGG saying "Hey, we hate how this turned out, and we know you got burned. We cant make the minis happen, but we can offer X". But instead it was just silence after the Mortal Arrow thing which kind of turned into a pissing match. Also, there were less than 672 backers between both projects, so it's not 4 cents a backer, it is actually closer to $11.90 if you were dividing the $8000 up, and assuming every backer got one check, regardless if they backed one or both. This is probably naive on my part, but it seems like when you already have PDFs up on the FGG store, it doesnt cost much to offer one of those up (meaning you dont have any printing or shipping costs, just your server maintenance/webspace, etc.). Maybe in hindsight it would have been a good idea, and a clear show of goodwill, to have offered up some kind of PDF credit, or just picked a few PDFs and distributed them to backers if they submitted an email with a screenshot of their KS pledge to ToH or ToH2 by a certain date. I dont think a check in the mail is the answer frankly. Everyone involved with the ToH and ToH2 projects (with maybe the exception of Kickstarter and Matt Solarz himself) has taken a loss. At this point the only way to contact all backers would be via snail mail, and that would run about $350 in postage alone (assuming each backer required a 49 cent stamp, a postcard format would be likely be cheaper) I can only get a hold of about 112 via email/facebook. The backers names and addresses are listed on the CSM petition and schedules for when Matt Solarz declared Bankruptcy. I have a PDF of that form if you want it, though not all the addresses are accurate. Anyway, I appreciate you posting in detail and being open to the unpleasant feelings. [/QUOTE]
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