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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 3484292" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>I believe there is some debate on this issue, based around the "you can flurry when using an unarmed strike or monk weapon" text.</p><p></p><p>Grapple checks are not a monk weapon, and it's debatable whether or not they count as unarmed strikes (although they do the damage of your unarmed strike). </p><p></p><p>Interpretations I've seen:</p><p></p><p>1) Grapple checks cannot be combined with a Flurry in any way.</p><p></p><p>2) You can use a flurry of blows to initiate the grapple, but not once the grapple is established. (i.e. the initial touch attacks to start a grapple can be done as part of a flurry, but the flurry ends once the grapple is established.)</p><p></p><p>3) You can flurry while in a grapple, but only if you are using the "attack your opponent at a -4 attack penalty" option, instead of making grapple checks.</p><p></p><p>4) You can flurry within a grapple, and use the flurry attacks to make grapple checks. Grapple checks are close enough to unarmed strikes to count. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I think option 3 is probably the closest to RAW, but I think a case can be made for option 4 (and is the ruling I prefer). Monks aren't exactly overpowered to begin with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 3484292, member: 284"] I believe there is some debate on this issue, based around the "you can flurry when using an unarmed strike or monk weapon" text. Grapple checks are not a monk weapon, and it's debatable whether or not they count as unarmed strikes (although they do the damage of your unarmed strike). Interpretations I've seen: 1) Grapple checks cannot be combined with a Flurry in any way. 2) You can use a flurry of blows to initiate the grapple, but not once the grapple is established. (i.e. the initial touch attacks to start a grapple can be done as part of a flurry, but the flurry ends once the grapple is established.) 3) You can flurry while in a grapple, but only if you are using the "attack your opponent at a -4 attack penalty" option, instead of making grapple checks. 4) You can flurry within a grapple, and use the flurry attacks to make grapple checks. Grapple checks are close enough to unarmed strikes to count. I think option 3 is probably the closest to RAW, but I think a case can be made for option 4 (and is the ruling I prefer). Monks aren't exactly overpowered to begin with. [/QUOTE]
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