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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 2031376" data-attributes="member: 2477">In the same way that I dislike some of the characters for what isn't there, you're assigning material to them that isn't present, IMO. Tyrion seemed to understand his fathers ruthless nature, and knew there was no love lost between them, but didn't think his father would deceive him? Just doesn't work for me, YMMV.All exactly true, they "lost" him by losing the rebellion they started and he was taken as hostage. None of that is HIS fault though. His "failures" are not his own, but his fathers. I can understand if his father hates him for being the tangible example of his fathers failings, but from the material I've read, that's not why he hates him.I don't expect him to say everything I'm thinking, but I expect it to be addressed. If he can't face up to his father, that's acceptable but should be mentioned in some fashion.<snip Theon stuff>While all of that is possible, it's not in the actual material. Perhaps it's a part of Martin's style of writing that I dislike. We're seeing each chapter from a characters perspective, but without truely knowing the motivations for the character in most cases. I don't mind er.. NPC's from having hidden motives and such, but for the PC's to just act in a manner without any real depth (to my eyes) it turns the material tedious for me.If it's any consolation, Dany's chapters also became so tedious I could barely stand them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />My problem isn't just Catelyn, it just seems that ever chapter from her POV has something Stupid. (with a capital S!) It's like Martin made a conscious effort to put all the stupid stuff in her chapters, so it didn't bring down the other characters. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The other thing that irked me was the constant sexual references. Someone was always having sex, or being raped, or talking about one or the other in almost every chapter in Book 2 & 3. But that's just my tastes showing, so it's not a major thing.I enjoyed the books, I didn't feel like throwing Book3 when I was done with it, but by the end, the tedious nature of it left me "done". I have no further interest in the setting, let alone waiting for years to get them. I will read spoilers and summaries though, just for a sense of completion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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