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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 2031518" data-attributes="member: 707">Here we fundamentally disagree, then.  The textual evidence is absolutely there, as I see it.  When away from his father, Tyrion is commanding, calculating, and dreadfully devious.  He plays his own sister as well as anyone.  But he never does that with his father.  He never even considers plotting against Tywin, which IMO is a clear indication that he's falling into a role.  The same Tyrion that used Cercei's children against her would at least have considered pitting himself against Tywin (even if he eventually rejected the notion on the grounds that Tywin has a far greater political position).  But he doesn't.  He falls into the role of a petulant child, making snide comments at his father instead of treating him as he would a valuable but potentially trecherous ally.I disagree.  Theon is responsible for himself.  Claiming that Theon's mistakes are all his father's fault is silly, IMO.  We could all make the same assertion, and then nobody would be responsible for anything.  It'd always be our parent's fault, or society, or circumstance.  No.  Theon is responsible for himself.  In fact, I'd say that's one of the defining flaws of the character, that Theon cannot see that.  He's usually more concerned about what people owe him, about his "due," about the respect he deserves, rather than making himself a man worthy of respect.  We're given several examples of confrontations between him and his father.  We can see that he can't face up to him.  I don't understand why you claim this isn't addressed.It most certainly is in the material.  Theon thinks of Ned often, and his thoughts are very informative.  Likewise his attitudes towards women, and Asha in particular.  It's all there in the text.Again, I disagree.  The PoV style allows us to know the motivations of the characters far better than nearly any other style would allow, save perhaps third-person omniscient.*shrug*  I can see now that we are simply reading the books in completely different ways.  My college degree was in english literature, so I've spent a lot of time analyzing text.  To me, Martin's books are very well-written, and present powerful characterizations of all the PoV characters.  We know their motivations.  We know their priorities and goals.  We know their pains and weaknesses.My problem with Dany is her growing arrogance.  I liked her in A Game of Thrones, but by the time A Storm of Swords comes around, she's bought into all her brother's crazy-talk about the "blood of the dragon" and what-not.  I dislike the kind of person Dany is becoming, though I don't particularly dislike her chapters.  There are some interesting things happening around her. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Regarding your comment about Cat, it's impossible for me to respond to such a vague statement.  What kind of "Stupid with a capital S!" stuff are we talking about here?  I never found Cat stupid.  She was a mother worrying about her children, a wife worried about her husband, and she was fairly powerless most of the time.  I dislike being powerless and worrying a lot, so naturally Cat's chapters weren't my favorites.  I didn't dislike Cat because of it, though.  I imagine my own mother might feel similarly in the same situation.Well, sex is a bit part of life.  I prefer it be present rather than conspicuously absent.  While some of the love scenes might have been unnecessary (Dany and Irri in particular.  I feel Tyrion's love scenes with Shae tell us a lot about Tyrion) I don't really hate GRRM for including them.Fair enough.  Different readers enjoy different kinds of story.  It's the reason so many authors can make a living these days.  Personally, I feel the same way you do, except about Robert Jordan instead of GRRM. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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