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<blockquote data-quote="Taren Seeker" data-source="post: 375073" data-attributes="member: 615">You decide by...deciding. Read the spell and make a call. Most are self evident, and it ends up being more consistent than the unbeatable SR concept.Move Earth: The Earth is moved, not the golem. Buried.Wall of Iron: A real wall is created and crushes the golem (a wall is instantaneous)Invisible creatures: Invisibility does not affect the Golem, it affects the target. Unless of course, you cast invis on the golem, in which case it wouldn't work.Fabricate creates mundane material. Golem walks over it.Propelled arrow: I assume you mean launch bolt or the like. The arrow is what's hitting the golem, so it does damage. There's nothing magical about velocity.Telekinesis boulder: Same as the arrow above. There's no difference in the effect if the boulder is hurled by TK or a giant's arm. Damage is dealt normally.Whether or not the spell allows SR is a good indicator of whether or not a golem is immune, but it cannot be a hard and fast rule. If you make SR the ONLY indicator you begin to encounter inconsistencies, like the Maze spell or Solid Fog. Does anyone really think that these spells should work when reading the description of the golem immunity ability in the MM?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Taren Seeker, post: 375073, member: 615"] You decide by...deciding. Read the spell and make a call. Most are self evident, and it ends up being more consistent than the unbeatable SR concept. Move Earth: The Earth is moved, not the golem. Buried. Wall of Iron: A real wall is created and crushes the golem (a wall is instantaneous) Invisible creatures: Invisibility does not affect the Golem, it affects the target. Unless of course, you cast invis on the golem, in which case it wouldn't work. Fabricate creates mundane material. Golem walks over it. Propelled arrow: I assume you mean launch bolt or the like. The arrow is what's hitting the golem, so it does damage. There's nothing magical about velocity. Telekinesis boulder: Same as the arrow above. There's no difference in the effect if the boulder is hurled by TK or a giant's arm. Damage is dealt normally. Whether or not the spell allows SR is a good indicator of whether or not a golem is immune, but it cannot be a hard and fast rule. If you make SR the ONLY indicator you begin to encounter inconsistencies, like the Maze spell or Solid Fog. Does anyone really think that these spells should work when reading the description of the golem immunity ability in the MM? [/QUOTE]

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