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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3648799" data-attributes="member: 3929">Unless I am very much mistaken, as defined by the rules, an AoO is not an action. It is not a free action, an immediate action, a swift action, a full-round action, a standard action, a move equivalent action, or a 1 round action. I think that's all of them.There is a difference between acting (doing anything at all, including day-dreaming) and performing a rule-defined action.Seeing it or not is not in question. If you have an enemy that jumps out of the bushes at you and attacks, barring any method of remaining concealed throughout the attack, you see it. A panther that leaps from the bushes and attacks? Everyone sees it. A trap that fires spears at you? Everyone sees them.What the surprise round functionally determines is how quickly you are able to react to what you see (aware vs unaware). You failed the spot check to see the orc throw his spear; this does not mean that you are unaware that your barbarian friend has been run through and is now screaming horribly in pain. You simply take longer to gather your wits about you and react to the situation. An Invisible opponent who attacks and breaks his invisibility no longer requires Spot checks to see; you're all aware of him and yet you still can't act in the surprise round....yes? You spent a feat to do this.So? You spent a feat, your skill points, gave up a shield, and chose your weapon all to be able to get one, maybe two attacks, on one opponent at the beginning of combat. If the enemy closes to melee.  If this is a complaint, it's similar to saying someone with a Tower Shield, Combat Expertise and 5 ranks in Tumble has too high an AC. You don't think someone should be able to build a character who has cat-like reflexes? Because really that's what this build is.You want to be flamed?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> One question: do you believe the text does not allow a character with Combat Reflexes to make AoO's in the Surprise round, or do you simply dislike the rules that allow a character with Combat Reflexes to make an AoO, and wish it were otherwise?-----------------------Lastly, to make an AoO, even with Combat Reflexes, you must threaten. To threaten with a weapon, you must wield it. If there is a difference between "wielding a weapon" and "holding a weapon", then it is possible to disallow a character with CR his AoO in the surprise round.If you want to be a RBDM. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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