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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Menexenus" data-source="post: 4432974" data-attributes="member: 8951">Personally, I agree with all three responders so far that allowing an Empower Rod to empower a Scorching Ray spell that is memorized by the caster in a 5th level spell slot (using the caster's own Maximize Spell feat) is a bit much.  But I need to give my player the benefit of the doubt, so allow me to put on my rules-lawyer hat...  (BTW, I find it disturbing how well this hat fits... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )So in some places the rules talk about "spell slots," but when describing the power of a Lesser Metamagic Rod the term that is used is not "spell slot" but "spell level".  This seems to indicate that it is the base-spell's level that counts, not the level of the spell slot it occupies after being metamagicked.  After all, if the rule had meant to stop the use of metamagicked spells, it could have said this: "Lesser rods can be used with spells that occupy 3rd level spell slots or lower..."  Since the rule doesn't use this language when it easily could have, it must mean that the base spell's level is all that counts.If you feel strongly about it, tell me why this reasoning is faulty.  (On the other hand, if you agree with my player's reasoning here, please chime in!  So far, things aren't going well for him.)</blockquote>

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