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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 411836" data-attributes="member: 2358">And it wouldn't raise the ECL any more?Oh!  Okay, I thought maybe you missed the insane damage reduction ratings there . . . Interesting . . .Actually, that is what the SR is as of now.  I think I made it a bit hard to understand . . . You see, most Saiyans who go Super Saiyan will already have SR 50 (if a Saiyan Elite) or at least SR 30 (if only a Saiyan Warrior), so I named the SR as an addition.  Not all have those two classes, however, so . . . Any which way, it's 20 more SR than the creature's normal value, regardless of what that normal value is.As for the damage reduction, a Saiyan Elite already gets damage reduction at 30/+6, and I wanted the Super Saiyan value to be better than that . . .You should see that the values are currently:Super Saiyan: damage reduction 70/+7Super Saiyan 2: damage reduction 150/+15Super Saiyan 3: damage reduction 310/+31Super Saiyan 4: damage reduction 630/+63You think that the ECL numbers I have are appropriate for those levels of damage reduction?Hmmm . . . As for the hit points . . . Reducing the damage reduction would balance that a bit . . . How about this:Super Saiyan: damage reduction 70/+7Super Saiyan 2: damage reduction 100/+10Super Saiyan 3: damage reduction 150/+15Super Saiyan 4: damage reduction 220/+22Certainly your ECL calculations could shed some light on a more accurate figure?Okay, here you go.First, Half-Saiyans.  These can achieve all levels as regular Saiyans, but only at half power.  Here are the actual calculations:Although they are not divine or immortal, Saiyans who have attained Super Saiyan powers are considered deities for purposes of determining whether or not certain Salient Divine Abilities can work on them.HD: A Super Saiyan always has maximum hit points.Speed: Super Saiyan x2, Super Saiyan 2 x3, Super Saiyan 3 x4, Super Saiyan 4 x6AC: All Super Saiyans have a deflection bonus to their AC equal to their Dexterity bonus (if any).  In addition, a Super Saiyan gains a +10 natural armor bonus, a Super Saiyan 2 gains a +20 natural armor bonus, a Super Saiyan 3 gains a +40 natural armor bonus, and a Super Saiyan 4 gains a +80 natural armor bonus.Attacks: Super Saiyans may make an unlimited number of attacks as determined by his base attack bonus.  Super Saiyans do not automatically fail on a natural attack roll of 1.Special Qualities: Super Saiyan: damage reduction 70/+7, SR +20; Super Saiyan 2: damage reduction 150/+15, SR +40; Super Saiyan 3: damage reduction 310/+31, SR +80; Super Saiyan 4: damage reduction 630/+63, SR +160Saves: A Super Saiyan gains a +10 resistance bonus to all saving throws, a Super Saiyan 2 gains a +20 resistance bonus to all saving throws, a Super Saiyan 3 gains a +40 resistance bonus to all saving throws, and a Super Saiyan 4 gains a +80 resistance bonus to all saving throws.*Abilities: Super Saiyan: Str +10, Dex +10, Con +10, Int +5, Wis +5, Cha +5; Super Saiyan 2: Str +20, Dex +20, Con +20, Int +10, Wis +10, Cha +10; Super Saiyan 3: Str +40, Dex +40, Con +40, Int +20, Wis +20, Cha +20; Super Saiyan 4: Str +80, Dex +80, Con +80, Int +40, Wis +40, Cha +40.Basically, Half-Saiyans get only half of all numeric bonuses for being Super Saiyan, but they get all other abilities normally.  I rated them as having an ECL 2/3 that of a normal Saiyan, but what do you think?Now for all with LESS than half Saiyan blood.  They can never achieve any level past normal Super Saiyan.Although they are not divine or immortal, Saiyans who have attained Super Saiyan powers are considered deities for purposes of determining whether or not certain Salient Divine Abilities can work on them.HD: A Super Saiyan always has maximum hit points.Speed: x2*AC: All Super Saiyans have a deflection bonus to their AC equal to their Dexterity bonus (if any).  In addition, a Super Saiyan gains a +5 natural armor bonus.Attacks: Super Saiyans may make an unlimited number of attacks as determined by his base attack bonus.  Super Saiyans do not automatically fail on a natural attack roll of 1.*Saves: A Super Saiyan gains a +5 resistance bonus to all saving throws.*Abilities: Str +5, Dex +5, Con +5, Int +1, Wis +2, Cha +2.I'm wanting this to be worth only 1/3 as much as a normal Super Saiyan.  They don't get the damage reduction or SR, and limited increases, and can never achieve a higher Super Saiyan level.It would be no problem to find, it's the very first opost in the topic.  (I keep the main post updated with the latest info.)  If you would like me to post it here, though, I would.</blockquote>

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