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<blockquote data-quote="Starfox" data-source="post: 5016689" data-attributes="member: 2303"><p>Agreed. Does this mean you agree with the basic presumption that you can only make only one triggered action (aka Opportunity Action) on each creature's turn? Regardless of whether that opportunity action is an opportunity attack, immediate action, triggered free action, or triggered "no action" event?</p><p></p><p>I'll try to explain this using mathematical sets, which I am somewhat familiar with. See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mathematics)" target="_blank">the wikipedia article on mathematical sets</a>, but I must admit I am not at all familiar with the terminology in English and havn't studied this for thirty years (I actually studied this in second grade, believe it on not - Swedish schooling was quite radical back then).</p><p></p><p>{Opportunity actions} are a set. {Immediate actions} and {opportunity actions} are subsets of the {Opportunity action} set. {Free actions} and {No Actions} each have an intersection with the {Opportunity Action} set, but are not subsets; there are {free actions} and {no actions} that are not {Opportunity Actions}. I think that's what you are trying to tell me above, and so far I think we all agree.</p><p></p><p>Let me call the intersection of {Opportunity actions} and {Free actions} {Free Opportunity Actions} and the intersection of {Opportunity actions} and {No actions} {No-Action Opportunities}, just to give them names. </p><p></p><p><strong>What I am claiming is that {Actions with Triggers} = {Opportunity Actions} and thus subject to the one opportunity action per turn rule.</strong> {Opportunity Actions} are the following: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Opportunity Attacks</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Immediate actions</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Free Opportunity Actions</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No-Action Opportunities</li> </ul><p></p><p>What I think abyssaldeath was saying was that {Actions with Triggers} != {Opportunity Actions}, but so far, no-one has explained on what kinds of actions they are or expounded this argument. ("!=" means "not identical sets" here.)</p><p></p><p>Phew, this became very theoretical with many long words, and probably about as hard to understand to most of you as Mustrum_Ridcully formal logic was to me. And so far, we only really POSED the question; we haven't really discussed it yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Starfox, post: 5016689, member: 2303"] Agreed. Does this mean you agree with the basic presumption that you can only make only one triggered action (aka Opportunity Action) on each creature's turn? Regardless of whether that opportunity action is an opportunity attack, immediate action, triggered free action, or triggered "no action" event? I'll try to explain this using mathematical sets, which I am somewhat familiar with. See [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mathematics)]the wikipedia article on mathematical sets[/url], but I must admit I am not at all familiar with the terminology in English and havn't studied this for thirty years (I actually studied this in second grade, believe it on not - Swedish schooling was quite radical back then). {Opportunity actions} are a set. {Immediate actions} and {opportunity actions} are subsets of the {Opportunity action} set. {Free actions} and {No Actions} each have an intersection with the {Opportunity Action} set, but are not subsets; there are {free actions} and {no actions} that are not {Opportunity Actions}. I think that's what you are trying to tell me above, and so far I think we all agree. Let me call the intersection of {Opportunity actions} and {Free actions} {Free Opportunity Actions} and the intersection of {Opportunity actions} and {No actions} {No-Action Opportunities}, just to give them names. [b]What I am claiming is that {Actions with Triggers} = {Opportunity Actions} and thus subject to the one opportunity action per turn rule.[/b] {Opportunity Actions} are the following:[list] [*]Opportunity Attacks [*]Immediate actions [*]Free Opportunity Actions [*]No-Action Opportunities [/list] What I think abyssaldeath was saying was that {Actions with Triggers} != {Opportunity Actions}, but so far, no-one has explained on what kinds of actions they are or expounded this argument. ("!=" means "not identical sets" here.) Phew, this became very theoretical with many long words, and probably about as hard to understand to most of you as Mustrum_Ridcully formal logic was to me. And so far, we only really POSED the question; we haven't really discussed it yet. [/QUOTE]
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