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<blockquote data-quote="hastur_nz" data-source="post: 7001702" data-attributes="member: 40592"><p>Jonathan's DM here... good discussion, all quite valid points raised. I actually said yes just before I saw this thread...</p><p></p><p>For me, the important thing to remember in cases like this is that 5e was always designed to escape the "RaW" problems that came to plague 3.5 - while they have done a good job of 5e through alpha and beta testing etc to get the wording tight and clear, the intent of the rules as a whole is as important as the exact wording, as is the collaboration of players and DM to agree on any rough spots.</p><p></p><p>As far as intent goes, Spell Sniper is like a blend of Sharpshooter and Magic Initiate - you are great at using ranged spell attacks, and learn an extra one to help out. While technically one could argue that using Spell Sniper to add Shillelagh is completely valid, personally I'd question why one would ever do so, it just doesn't make sense - if you wanted Shillelagh, you'd use Magic Initiate. Whereas Magic Stone totally fits the intent of the Spell Sniper Feat - throwing a magic stone is a ranged spell attack, not a weapon attack, so in my world yes it qualifies to anyone except the most strict of rules lawyers, which isn't how 5e was ever intended to be used.</p><p></p><p>p.s. the fact that the caster could give magical stones to someone else to throw, it totally irrelevant to me - only the caster really benefits from the Spell Sniper feat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hastur_nz, post: 7001702, member: 40592"] Jonathan's DM here... good discussion, all quite valid points raised. I actually said yes just before I saw this thread... For me, the important thing to remember in cases like this is that 5e was always designed to escape the "RaW" problems that came to plague 3.5 - while they have done a good job of 5e through alpha and beta testing etc to get the wording tight and clear, the intent of the rules as a whole is as important as the exact wording, as is the collaboration of players and DM to agree on any rough spots. As far as intent goes, Spell Sniper is like a blend of Sharpshooter and Magic Initiate - you are great at using ranged spell attacks, and learn an extra one to help out. While technically one could argue that using Spell Sniper to add Shillelagh is completely valid, personally I'd question why one would ever do so, it just doesn't make sense - if you wanted Shillelagh, you'd use Magic Initiate. Whereas Magic Stone totally fits the intent of the Spell Sniper Feat - throwing a magic stone is a ranged spell attack, not a weapon attack, so in my world yes it qualifies to anyone except the most strict of rules lawyers, which isn't how 5e was ever intended to be used. p.s. the fact that the caster could give magical stones to someone else to throw, it totally irrelevant to me - only the caster really benefits from the Spell Sniper feat. [/QUOTE]
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