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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 564479" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>The rules <em>do</em> state that you can make an attack against a target you can't see. You choose a square, and roll a 50% miss chance.</p><p></p><p>There's nothing to stop a paranoid deciding to attack a square at random against the possibility that there's an invisible creature there. If he happens to be right, good for him. No Spot check required. The Spot check would <em>confirm</em> the presence of a creature, but the paranoid doesn't need proof, he just needs a hunch. An extremely good Spot check would confirm the <em>location</em> of the creature. The paranoid doesn't need to know that - he can take a guess and swing.</p><p></p><p>The mechanic for making an attack against a non-pinpointed invisible creature is clear. An AoO is an attack. Voila. A mechanic for making an AoO against a non-pinpointed invisible creature.</p><p></p><p>Spot or Listen would remove the need to guess the square, sure.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"You can make a Spot check every time you have an opportunity to notice something in a reactive manner."</p><p></p><p>Elves and half-elves get Spot bonuses because of their keen senses. Plural.</p><p></p><p>Spot may be described somewhere as being a purely visual skill, but if it is, I don't know where...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With Scent, a character would know where the invisible creature <em>is</em>... but how does Scent help him know a weapon is being sheathed? Your treatment of AoOs requires him to perceive the action that provokes the AoO, and Scent won't help.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 564479, member: 1656"] The rules [i]do[/i] state that you can make an attack against a target you can't see. You choose a square, and roll a 50% miss chance. There's nothing to stop a paranoid deciding to attack a square at random against the possibility that there's an invisible creature there. If he happens to be right, good for him. No Spot check required. The Spot check would [i]confirm[/i] the presence of a creature, but the paranoid doesn't need proof, he just needs a hunch. An extremely good Spot check would confirm the [i]location[/i] of the creature. The paranoid doesn't need to know that - he can take a guess and swing. The mechanic for making an attack against a non-pinpointed invisible creature is clear. An AoO is an attack. Voila. A mechanic for making an AoO against a non-pinpointed invisible creature. Spot or Listen would remove the need to guess the square, sure. "You can make a Spot check every time you have an opportunity to notice something in a reactive manner." Elves and half-elves get Spot bonuses because of their keen senses. Plural. Spot may be described somewhere as being a purely visual skill, but if it is, I don't know where... With Scent, a character would know where the invisible creature [i]is[/i]... but how does Scent help him know a weapon is being sheathed? Your treatment of AoOs requires him to perceive the action that provokes the AoO, and Scent won't help. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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