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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 565169" data-attributes="member: 96"><p><strong>Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Quicker than the Eye and AoO</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Invisible Guy walks up next to you as you are reading a book. He drinks a potion. Do you get an AoO because, while you are reading your book, you are also randomly probing squares around you with attacks?</p><p></p><p>Maybe that's not a fair example because you're not in a fight? OK. You're a wizard, hanging out behind the front lines. Invisible Guy walks up next to you. Are you randomly twirling your staff around you in a circle of bruising, even though no enemies appear to be near?</p><p></p><p>The problem here is two very different views of the Attack of Opportunity. One side views them as random, unaimed hits that just happen to get through because the person let down their guard. The other side views them as responses to said letting down of guard: "Ah! He's drinking a potion! That means he can't defend himself when I do <em>this!</em>" Obviously, for those who subscribe to the latter explanation, an attacker unaware of the lapse in guard would be unable to take advantage of the AoO.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I agree with the 'response to an opening' side. The description of AoOs says "combatants near her can take advantage of her lapse in defense to attack her for free". Making an AoO is also a voluntary decision, which does not fit with the image of someone 'probing randomly' around him with a blade. If he's doing that, how can he decide whether or not to take a particular AoO? AoOs can be trips, disarms, and other 'unusual' attacks as well - again, not fitting with the 'random probe' hypothesis.</p><p></p><p>However, one cannot just say "invisible creatures do not provoke AoOs" - that would be equally misleading and lead to much silliness with <em>see invisible</em> or invisible casters being able to stand next to you shouting Latin into your ear and still not getting hit. The best explanation - and the only one that fits with the question regarding Quicker Than The Eye which started this entire thread - is that one can only respond to an AoO-provoking action that one is aware of. Quicker Than The Eye and <em>invisibility</em> are two ways of preventing people from noticing the AoO-provoking action.</p><p></p><p>J</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 565169, member: 96"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Quicker than the Eye and AoO[/b] Invisible Guy walks up next to you as you are reading a book. He drinks a potion. Do you get an AoO because, while you are reading your book, you are also randomly probing squares around you with attacks? Maybe that's not a fair example because you're not in a fight? OK. You're a wizard, hanging out behind the front lines. Invisible Guy walks up next to you. Are you randomly twirling your staff around you in a circle of bruising, even though no enemies appear to be near? The problem here is two very different views of the Attack of Opportunity. One side views them as random, unaimed hits that just happen to get through because the person let down their guard. The other side views them as responses to said letting down of guard: "Ah! He's drinking a potion! That means he can't defend himself when I do [i]this![/i]" Obviously, for those who subscribe to the latter explanation, an attacker unaware of the lapse in guard would be unable to take advantage of the AoO. Personally, I agree with the 'response to an opening' side. The description of AoOs says "combatants near her can take advantage of her lapse in defense to attack her for free". Making an AoO is also a voluntary decision, which does not fit with the image of someone 'probing randomly' around him with a blade. If he's doing that, how can he decide whether or not to take a particular AoO? AoOs can be trips, disarms, and other 'unusual' attacks as well - again, not fitting with the 'random probe' hypothesis. However, one cannot just say "invisible creatures do not provoke AoOs" - that would be equally misleading and lead to much silliness with [i]see invisible[/i] or invisible casters being able to stand next to you shouting Latin into your ear and still not getting hit. The best explanation - and the only one that fits with the question regarding Quicker Than The Eye which started this entire thread - is that one can only respond to an AoO-provoking action that one is aware of. Quicker Than The Eye and [i]invisibility[/i] are two ways of preventing people from noticing the AoO-provoking action. J [/QUOTE]
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