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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1253395" data-attributes="member: 1656">Except that denying Dex bonus against an attack is really more of a side-effect of the QttE feat.Why should someone add their BAB to the check to notice me switching the real Orb of Ultimate Authority for the glass bauble?The purpose of the QttE feat is to take an action without being noticed.  BAB isn't really applicable to the opposed check.  It just happens that if the action you take without being noticed is an attack, the opponent loses his Dex bonus.If I were updating QttE, I'd actually rewrite it so that it can't be used to conceal an attack against a non-flatfooted opponent.  Make it a utility feat, not a combat feat.  It would restrict its combat use to sneak attacking flat-footed people with Uncanny Dodge, but so what?  If people want to Feint as a Move Action, use the Improved Feint feat.  If they want to make everyone look the other way while they throw a poisoned dart at the Duke, use QttE. -Hyp.</blockquote>