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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 85284" data-attributes="member: 151">He was right here, along with the rest of us.  Being released by WOTC gave S&F an edge, as did being the first classbook, it's true.  But being the first FR product didn't save 'Into the Dragon's Lair' from tanking hideously, so the WOTC stamp isn't Carte Blanche.More importantly, the major stink surrounding S&F was over a few specific items, moreso than majority of it's content.  Mercurial was a bad idea then, it's a bad idea, now.  Many folks also came down on S&F for being a classbook at all, and feared the return of 2e's massive splatbook campaign, with it's drastic succession of incompatible material.  You'll note that every classbook since then has had less and less discussion about it, after it arrives.This is a combination of better product, less ambitious goals, and the fact that fears have been allayed.  In fact, if I had to choose, I'd rather have S&F's more ambitious approach and reel it back than have Song & Silence's dry material.  Every class book has had broken material in it, bar none.  Six pages of errata is not nearly so daunting if it contains detailed rules explanations and minor typo corrections.  Look at that errata and see.Do I actually use S&F in my game?  Not very much, in truth...I see many of the classes useful only for NPCs, and much of the material is simply not applicable to my current game.  But that's true of all the classbooks.  I don't think it's the shining example of what classbooks should be...that's Tome & Blood's job, IMHO.  But to claim that an overwhelming And truthfully, when you label anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint as an apologist, and use a glittering generality like 'The book was badly done by nearly all accounts.', you're going to engender a negative reaction.  Merely taking a quick trip to <a href="http://www.enworld.org/d20reviews.asp?sub=yes&where=currentprod&which=SnF" target="_blank">the d20 reviews page for Sword and Fist</a> shows quite a few people rated it with four stars (5) and three stars (6), and one person even rated it with five stars.  Hardly a universal opinion, then.</blockquote>

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