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<blockquote data-quote="kamosa" data-source="post: 1568929" data-attributes="member: 1037">We aren't playing d20 modern.&nbsp; We have the books, but they don't seem to get much use or garner much interest.&nbsp; The problem is that we all want to play, but no one wants to GM the game.To me it suffers from three main problems1) The enemies are mostly human.&nbsp; With D&amp;D you have lots of monsters to through at the party in unmoraly ambiguous combats.&nbsp; We kill the orcs because the orcs deserve to die.&nbsp; With a world full of humans the solutions are often not that straight forward.&nbsp; Do we kill the guard at the secret lab, he might not be a bad guy, just a guy that needed a job.&nbsp; To some people this provides needed depth, but to many it just gets in the way of exercising the combat mechanic, which is a large part of the draw for RPG's.&nbsp;&nbsp; 2) We play to get away.&nbsp;&nbsp; I like D&amp;D because it has nothing to do with my daily life.&nbsp; Modern, not so far away.&nbsp; Dark stories in modern remind me of how crappy the world around me is.&nbsp; For some reason fantasy doesn't do that, even in games where the world is going to be destoryed.&nbsp;&nbsp; For some reason I don't get as strong a sense of victory in modern campaigns either.&nbsp;&nbsp; The characters tend to be darked and more flawed, which is cool, but it draws away from the hero aspects.3)&nbsp; Character leveling seems less satisfying in modern settings.&nbsp;&nbsp; In D&amp;D we level, we get more powerful, we face new enemies.&nbsp;&nbsp; The fantasy genre is littered with stories of characters that grew more powerful and able to take on much much bigger challenges through the course of a book.&nbsp; So, the meme of fantasy leveling feels right.&nbsp;&nbsp; In modern systems if feels like your character never really grows in power, or if you do it feels wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp; Our heroes should always be able to be gunned down by a machine gun toting chump.&nbsp; But if we don't ever advance beyone the machine gun toting chump, it feels like the character isn't growing and isn't changing enough to sustain interest over the 100 of hours a campaign lasts.&nbsp;&nbsp; In short, low character development works in movies and books, where you have one story and you never have to go back, but in games it falls flat.&nbsp;&nbsp; Unfortunatly growing in power doesn't seem to work well in modern stories (IE the matrix).I'd write more, but I gotta head to the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kamosa, post: 1568929, member: 1037"] We aren't playing d20 modern. We have the books, but they don't seem to get much use or garner much interest. The problem is that we all want to play, but no one wants to GM the game. To me it suffers from three main problems 1) The enemies are mostly human. With D&D you have lots of monsters to through at the party in unmoraly ambiguous combats. We kill the orcs because the orcs deserve to die. With a world full of humans the solutions are often not that straight forward. Do we kill the guard at the secret lab, he might not be a bad guy, just a guy that needed a job. To some people this provides needed depth, but to many it just gets in the way of exercising the combat mechanic, which is a large part of the draw for RPG's. 2) We play to get away. I like D&D because it has nothing to do with my daily life. Modern, not so far away. Dark stories in modern remind me of how crappy the world around me is. For some reason fantasy doesn't do that, even in games where the world is going to be destoryed. For some reason I don't get as strong a sense of victory in modern campaigns either. The characters tend to be darked and more flawed, which is cool, but it draws away from the hero aspects. 3) Character leveling seems less satisfying in modern settings. In D&D we level, we get more powerful, we face new enemies. The fantasy genre is littered with stories of characters that grew more powerful and able to take on much much bigger challenges through the course of a book. So, the meme of fantasy leveling feels right. In modern systems if feels like your character never really grows in power, or if you do it feels wrong. Our heroes should always be able to be gunned down by a machine gun toting chump. But if we don't ever advance beyone the machine gun toting chump, it feels like the character isn't growing and isn't changing enough to sustain interest over the 100 of hours a campaign lasts. In short, low character development works in movies and books, where you have one story and you never have to go back, but in games it falls flat. Unfortunatly growing in power doesn't seem to work well in modern stories (IE the matrix). I'd write more, but I gotta head to the game. [/QUOTE]

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