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<blockquote data-quote="tylermalan" data-source="post: 3201760" data-attributes="member: 30929"><p>I think maybe you should look at how many penalties there are for being a dwarf, as opposed to being the standard race (humans), and then see if the penalties outweigh all the bonuses they get, which are many.</p><p></p><p>Bonuses:</p><p></p><p>+2 Con, darkvision, stonecunning, weapon familiarity, stability (+ to saves), poison (+ to saves), Spell saves (+ to saves), halfling/gnome techniques, bonus to appraise and craft.</p><p></p><p>Penalties (from the standard humans):</p><p></p><p>-2 Cha, 20' speed, no extra skill points, no extra feat, restricted favored class (as opposed to an open one like humans have).</p><p></p><p>At the most, -2 Cha equals the stonecunning, 20' speed equals darkvision or weapon familiarity (but not both), and no extra feat equals all the bonuses to saves, which are like taking a ton of feats anyway (remember I said "at the most") That just leaves the restricted favored class, which is equal in power to, what, the gnome techniques? At most?</p><p></p><p>Even after you cancel a few things out, Dwarves still have +2 Con, skill bonuses to Appraise and Craft, and either darkvision or weapon familiarity, and that's being very liberal with equal power levels.</p><p></p><p>Not considering what the DM throws at you because you can't measure it, Dwarves still get more than the standard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tylermalan, post: 3201760, member: 30929"] I think maybe you should look at how many penalties there are for being a dwarf, as opposed to being the standard race (humans), and then see if the penalties outweigh all the bonuses they get, which are many. Bonuses: +2 Con, darkvision, stonecunning, weapon familiarity, stability (+ to saves), poison (+ to saves), Spell saves (+ to saves), halfling/gnome techniques, bonus to appraise and craft. Penalties (from the standard humans): -2 Cha, 20' speed, no extra skill points, no extra feat, restricted favored class (as opposed to an open one like humans have). At the most, -2 Cha equals the stonecunning, 20' speed equals darkvision or weapon familiarity (but not both), and no extra feat equals all the bonuses to saves, which are like taking a ton of feats anyway (remember I said "at the most") That just leaves the restricted favored class, which is equal in power to, what, the gnome techniques? At most? Even after you cancel a few things out, Dwarves still have +2 Con, skill bonuses to Appraise and Craft, and either darkvision or weapon familiarity, and that's being very liberal with equal power levels. Not considering what the DM throws at you because you can't measure it, Dwarves still get more than the standard. [/QUOTE]
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