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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5275084" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, but you're missing the main point Klaus, they may be perfectly well balanced for Essentials classes, they are NOT at all well balanced for PHB1 etc classes. The problem is by doing this WotC has created one clearly hands down superior choice for a number of classes. Yes, dwarves are absolutely significantly stronger fighters. Losing one point of speed is really trivial when you can have a STR/CON/WIS stat distribution as good as you can get now. It is trivial to get 18/16/14 and that still leaves you with 12/11/8 for your other 3 stats. With a 12 in DEX you can pretty easily make any needed paragon tier feat qualifications that a dwarf is likely to want, and you'll have very reasonable NADs. Toss on DWT and go hammer-happy and there is simply no other race that is going to touch you all around. Sure, you can make quite competent fighters of other races, but it is flat out second choice.This is not only power creep, it is really much more significant pigeonholing. It really does seem like for many weapon using and divine classes dwarves just shot right to the top of the pack. I'm not sure yet what the exact implications are with elves, but they had significantly less specifically targeted racial feats, so I suspect it is a less significant change there.I almost guarantee you, there are going to be a cascading series of feat errata over this. It was a stupid idea and doesn't improve the game one bit IMHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5275084, member: 82106"] Yeah, but you're missing the main point Klaus, they may be perfectly well balanced for Essentials classes, they are NOT at all well balanced for PHB1 etc classes. The problem is by doing this WotC has created one clearly hands down superior choice for a number of classes. Yes, dwarves are absolutely significantly stronger fighters. Losing one point of speed is really trivial when you can have a STR/CON/WIS stat distribution as good as you can get now. It is trivial to get 18/16/14 and that still leaves you with 12/11/8 for your other 3 stats. With a 12 in DEX you can pretty easily make any needed paragon tier feat qualifications that a dwarf is likely to want, and you'll have very reasonable NADs. Toss on DWT and go hammer-happy and there is simply no other race that is going to touch you all around. Sure, you can make quite competent fighters of other races, but it is flat out second choice. This is not only power creep, it is really much more significant pigeonholing. It really does seem like for many weapon using and divine classes dwarves just shot right to the top of the pack. I'm not sure yet what the exact implications are with elves, but they had significantly less specifically targeted racial feats, so I suspect it is a less significant change there. I almost guarantee you, there are going to be a cascading series of feat errata over this. It was a stupid idea and doesn't improve the game one bit IMHO. [/QUOTE]

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