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<blockquote data-quote="Aulirophile" data-source="post: 5277102" data-attributes="member: 86312">Compared to a human...? Because the next best Fighter races also have a Wis bonus (Barring Dragonborn, who only really used to come equal in Paragon, because of one feat, and only if you built around it). So, yes, -1 to everything. And no, you can't, not without giving up something. That is the point: Dwarves don't sacrifice anything to get these things, and they used to. Now they don't have to make the sacrifice that they used to, and they still get to keep all their goodies, goodies which are vastly superior to the options other races have. You being wrong doesn't make me uninterested in a civil discussion, it just means you're wrong. People will play what they want, but from an optimization stand point, there is no reason to pick anything but a Dwarf for most builds now. It is like Rangers and Twin Strike, it isn't an option, if you want optimal: this is what you pick. Before it was a tough choice. And anyone who thinks that is not true is not terribly familiar with Dwarven Feat Support, Fighters, or Wardens. Just for starters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aulirophile, post: 5277102, member: 86312"] Compared to a human...? Because the next best Fighter races also have a Wis bonus (Barring Dragonborn, who only really used to come equal in Paragon, because of one feat, and only if you built around it). So, yes, -1 to everything. And no, you can't, not without giving up something. That is the point: Dwarves don't sacrifice anything to get these things, and they used to. Now they don't have to make the sacrifice that they used to, [I]and [/I]they still get to keep all their goodies, goodies which are [I]vastly [/I]superior to the options other races have. You being wrong doesn't make me uninterested in a civil discussion, it just means you're wrong. People will play what they want, but [I]from an optimization stand point, [/I]there is no reason to pick anything but a Dwarf for most builds now. It is like Rangers and Twin Strike, it isn't an option, if you want optimal: this is what you pick. Before it was a tough choice. And anyone who thinks that is [I]not [/I]true is not terribly familiar with Dwarven Feat Support, Fighters, or Wardens. Just for starters. [/QUOTE]

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