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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5277736" data-attributes="member: 59057">Can you give an example, which feat you can´t take if you start with18 Str, 15 Con, 15 Wis, (old dwarf)compared to 18 Str, 15 Con, 16 Wis, and dex 11? (new dwarf)IMHO, the dwarf was not made much more powerful, but now dwarven fighters don´t look all the same...Which is the difference, as I pointed out 3 or 4 times before?edit: of course you can go 18,15,15, Dex 13 to get shield expertise at epic... but the spread above was your suggestion...edit 2: A dwarven fighter could have strength 18 before and have nearly the same stats as a human fighter. Now he has +2 constitution or +1 wisdom compared to that. You know what is the most ridiculous thing: your mentality gave us +2 Strength, so just stop complaining.</blockquote>