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<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8076437" data-attributes="member: 7015698">I miss how in 4e you didn't have outright SAD classes. You always had a secondary stat pushed by your class features. You had DEX/CHA rogues, but also DEX/STR rogues, for exemple. in 5e, the fact that the Monk and Ranger needs WIS for their 'castery' parts or that the Barbarian needs CON for his unarmored defense stick out like a sore thumb. The Eldtrich Knight and Arcane Tricksters are also outliers, but as MC-style subclasses they at least make some sense.Every Sorcerer goes CHA first, DEX for AC and CON for HP because DEX and CON are just that useful. there's no incentives to invest in other attributes.Are you saying that you can cancel the Disadvnatage with Reckless Attack and THEN get advantage from the Help Action?? Because that's not how Advantage and Disadvantage work, you can't stack 'em like that. Any source of Advantage will cancel any source of disadvantage, even if there is multiple of one.I had a Dragonborn Cleric in 4e. STR/CHA (which were the rarest powers...), took the Paladin MC feat and a marking Encounter Power, flavored him as a grizzled Drill Sargeant from an order of Paladin... fun times.It is?!You don't even know that yet. You're just chaffing because you think its unfair that players today have an easier game than you did in the past. What if it's nothing like 2e PO?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8076437, member: 7015698"] I miss how in 4e you didn't have outright SAD classes. You always had a secondary stat pushed by your class features. You had DEX/CHA rogues, but also DEX/STR rogues, for exemple. in 5e, the fact that the Monk and Ranger needs WIS for their 'castery' parts or that the Barbarian needs CON for his unarmored defense stick out like a sore thumb. The Eldtrich Knight and Arcane Tricksters are also outliers, but as MC-style subclasses they at least make some sense. Every Sorcerer goes CHA first, DEX for AC and CON for HP because DEX and CON are just that useful. there's no incentives to invest in other attributes. Are you saying that you can cancel the Disadvnatage with Reckless Attack and THEN get advantage from the Help Action?? Because that's not how Advantage and Disadvantage work, you can't stack 'em like that. Any source of Advantage will cancel any source of disadvantage, even if there is multiple of one. I had a Dragonborn Cleric in 4e. STR/CHA (which were the rarest powers...), took the Paladin MC feat and a marking Encounter Power, flavored him as a grizzled Drill Sargeant from an order of Paladin... fun times. It is?! You don't even know that yet. You're just chaffing because you think its unfair that players today have an easier game than you did in the past. What if it's nothing like 2e PO? [/QUOTE]

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