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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 7251596" data-attributes="member: 6786252">You keep saying that. Why? Is this a high-end optimizer thing? It works great as a wizard from my point of view.  You keep repeating this as part of a larger point about "failing to support the flavor mechanically."  To me, the high elf supports not only the wizard, but the eldritch knight and arcane trickster beautifully as well. So, I guess I'm going to be outright here.  The high elf supports playing a wizard beautifully.  Its features are aimed at doing wizard things, its got good attributes for being a wizard, and there's nothing that detracts from wizarding. Hmm... I know!   Perhaps we should talk about bladesinger, eldritch knights and arcane tricksters here for a bit.  The iconic elf, back in 1e, was a fighter/wizard/rogue mix.   I missed 2e for the most part, so lets skip that.  Elves in 3e had favored class: wizard, but favored class bit was good for one thing and one thing only.  No, not flavor, but multiclassing.  Elves in 3e were designed to multiclass into wizard and something that relied on their Dex, and eventually get into a PrC that combined them.  Such PrCs were things like Arcane Archer, Bladesinger, etc.   Eladrin in 4e not only were iconic wizard, but also spellblades and melee fey warlocks.  Fey Charger was a thing for a reason - a deliberate design decision for arcane melee types.  Hells, even the 4e eladrin wizard was pushed towards using a longsword due to their feats and paragon path.Fast forwards to 5e.  High elves are supposed to take up the same mantle - not just being able to make good wizards, but good arcane gish types.  Thus the dex and favored weapons (though, the longsword's inability to be used with dex has been problematic for a while, though Classes that rely on elf weapons have consistently swapped out for rapier for a while now).Perhaps this is part of the confusion.  Elves, as a whole, gravitate more towards the Expert and gishy classes rather than the full caster classes.  Wood elves are designed to be Rangers, not druids.  We talked about drow and the rogues; warlocks are considered to be a kind of magical trickster by many, rather than a true full caster, from 3e to 5e.  Half-elves are iconic bards.  The only such class there isn't a kind of elf for is Alchemist.  High elves... well, not really skill heavy, but they're designed to mix weapon and magic, and have some skill towards researching magic.  Thus, the extra language for arcane study.  Most setting have ancient magical texts in draconic or giant or some other cthonic race.   Also, don't forget to check out the high elf god - s/he is a god(dess) of swordplay, the arts, and arcane magic all at once.   Is this perhaps related?</blockquote>

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