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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7252507" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I understand observations. "The sky is blue" "We sure are having nice weather today" But when someone suggests, "We sure are having nice weather today", and one looks out the window and see a raging thunderstorm, one should expect the observation to provoke some level of debate about the definition of "nice weather". Likewise, if someone makes the observation, "Kirk was a much better Starfleet officer than Picard" or "The Balrog certainly did not have wings.", one should expect a certain level of debate to follow.</p><p></p><p>This is especially true if when framing these observations, you make them in a way that suggests you've failed to realize that there is even a point that might be debatable. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why? What's concerning about it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why? In the sense you seem to mean "racial essentialism", I have never had the impression we moved away from the idea of elves as graceful or orcs as fierce or dwarves as stalwart. Nor do I understand why we should. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, if you are not saying that they are right or wrong about that, why are you "concerned" about it? Do you even see why this seems to be a contradictory statement? </p><p></p><p>For that matter, why should it bother you that if you make an observation, people don't necessarily agree with it or even understand what you are getting at in your observation?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What makes you think my observation that the sentence is confusing in its current form wasn't made in good faith?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok good. It's not so much that I think "racial essentialism" is a good thing, as I think it is in an inevitable thing. In other words, if race is real, then it has some essential element. I'm not even sure what it would mean to have race in a game and not have racial essentialism.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, it is, which you seem to be trying to demonstrate.</p><p></p><p>And yes, that is meant to be a somewhat humorous comment. But as with your humorous dismissal of Paladins, my humorous dismissal of your humor, is based at least in part in an actual opinion. Granted, it's an exaggerated version of my opinion, in that I do recognize your attempts at humor as attempts at humor and recognize some people are probably entertained by them. But, to be frank, "It was just a joke." is a silly excuse. Clearly it's a joke, but you also mean something by it. Humor often has real barbs in it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I know what William S. Burrough meant; I still don't know what you meant. How is problem solving analogous to being a junk merchant?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you are too hung up on racial essentialism and should just let people both play stereotypes and subvert them according to their whim. Heck, you might even find you enjoy playing a Gnome Paladin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7252507, member: 4937"] I understand observations. "The sky is blue" "We sure are having nice weather today" But when someone suggests, "We sure are having nice weather today", and one looks out the window and see a raging thunderstorm, one should expect the observation to provoke some level of debate about the definition of "nice weather". Likewise, if someone makes the observation, "Kirk was a much better Starfleet officer than Picard" or "The Balrog certainly did not have wings.", one should expect a certain level of debate to follow. This is especially true if when framing these observations, you make them in a way that suggests you've failed to realize that there is even a point that might be debatable. Why? What's concerning about it? Why? In the sense you seem to mean "racial essentialism", I have never had the impression we moved away from the idea of elves as graceful or orcs as fierce or dwarves as stalwart. Nor do I understand why we should. Well, if you are not saying that they are right or wrong about that, why are you "concerned" about it? Do you even see why this seems to be a contradictory statement? For that matter, why should it bother you that if you make an observation, people don't necessarily agree with it or even understand what you are getting at in your observation? What makes you think my observation that the sentence is confusing in its current form wasn't made in good faith? Ok good. It's not so much that I think "racial essentialism" is a good thing, as I think it is in an inevitable thing. In other words, if race is real, then it has some essential element. I'm not even sure what it would mean to have race in a game and not have racial essentialism. Yes, it is, which you seem to be trying to demonstrate. And yes, that is meant to be a somewhat humorous comment. But as with your humorous dismissal of Paladins, my humorous dismissal of your humor, is based at least in part in an actual opinion. Granted, it's an exaggerated version of my opinion, in that I do recognize your attempts at humor as attempts at humor and recognize some people are probably entertained by them. But, to be frank, "It was just a joke." is a silly excuse. Clearly it's a joke, but you also mean something by it. Humor often has real barbs in it. I know what William S. Burrough meant; I still don't know what you meant. How is problem solving analogous to being a junk merchant? I think you are too hung up on racial essentialism and should just let people both play stereotypes and subvert them according to their whim. Heck, you might even find you enjoy playing a Gnome Paladin. [/QUOTE]
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