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<blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 3869138" data-attributes="member: 7883">Either &quot;Stone of Farewell&quot; or &quot;To Green Angel Tower&quot; dealt with this in a way.&nbsp; In one of those books, the Sithi (elves) went to war against the Norns, and by the descriptions of it, all of those combatants were &quot;heroes&quot;.&nbsp; It was like reading the Illiad......all of these Sithi and Norns were veterans who had fought in many conflicts, and were supremely skilled.Yes, they could live longer (Sithi were immortal)....but they probably didn't have an ECL.&nbsp; It's just that even though they had a much smaller population, a much higher proportion of the population had high character levels.&nbsp; By contrast, the humans had a massive advantage in population and birth rate, but tonnes of commoners and lvl 1 or 2 warriors.&nbsp; Statistically, yes, they had their vets and heroes etc......but because a hero would have a career spanning maybe 25 years, and then retire, have children, and die, they're always recycling their heroes.By contrast, the elves might start at lvl 1, but their veterans who are lvl 3's are still in condition to fight again in 25 years, and the survivors of that conflict are now lvl 6.....so that after centuries, instead of having masses of fresh young lvl 1 talent, they've got a small group of lvl 10 veterans who are incredibly skilled.&nbsp; Not invulnerable, and a human lvl 10 hero can still be a match against them....but the humans just can't put together entire units of these guys.Banshee</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Banshee16, post: 3869138, member: 7883"] Either "Stone of Farewell" or "To Green Angel Tower" dealt with this in a way. In one of those books, the Sithi (elves) went to war against the Norns, and by the descriptions of it, all of those combatants were "heroes". It was like reading the Illiad......all of these Sithi and Norns were veterans who had fought in many conflicts, and were supremely skilled. Yes, they could live longer (Sithi were immortal)....but they probably didn't have an ECL. It's just that even though they had a much smaller population, a much higher proportion of the population had high character levels. By contrast, the humans had a massive advantage in population and birth rate, but tonnes of commoners and lvl 1 or 2 warriors. Statistically, yes, they had their vets and heroes etc......but because a hero would have a career spanning maybe 25 years, and then retire, have children, and die, they're always recycling their heroes. By contrast, the elves might start at lvl 1, but their veterans who are lvl 3's are still in condition to fight again in 25 years, and the survivors of that conflict are now lvl 6.....so that after centuries, instead of having masses of fresh young lvl 1 talent, they've got a small group of lvl 10 veterans who are incredibly skilled. Not invulnerable, and a human lvl 10 hero can still be a match against them....but the humans just can't put together entire units of these guys. Banshee [/QUOTE]

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