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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 3870833" data-attributes="member: 7883">Uh....and this view is more supported in modern fantasy?  Aside from Tolkien, there are many takes on fantasy where elves are long-lived and/or immortal...Hmmm...Birthright CS.  Dragonlance (Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman)....elves lived upwards of 1200-2000 years.  Even Forgotten Realms....in the 2nd Ed. book about Cormanthor, elves lived longer than they do in the PHB.  Races of Faerun also extends the lifespan of Gold Elves.This is all "modern" fantasy.Steven Erikson has several long-lived races, including the Thelomen Toblakai, Tiste Andii, Tiste Edur, and others.Tad Williams has the Sithi, who are basically elves, who are immortal.  Until they get killed in combat, or are exposed to iron, they continue living.In many of these cases, the elves do have their own cities.  Some might live in human cities, but the majority of their populations live in cities of their own race.There are a few settings (Dark Sun, Warlords of the Accordlands, Iron Kingdoms, Shadowrun) where those lifespans aren't present.  But they're generally in the minority.So, yes, there is plenty of precedent in modern fantasy for long-lived elves.Banshee</blockquote>