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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 3709273" data-attributes="member: 5100"><p>My main concern isn't with the fact that they are typing the races -- I think the mechanics will be sound and flexible. My concern is that, other than dwarves, I don't think WotC has the same definition of the races as I do.</p><p></p><p>Half-elves as the social masters has always seemed a bit contrived to me. They have to get along with both races, so they're charismatic? Um... go ask someone of mixed black and white parentage if they find they are better able to work with both blacks and whites. In an area where race matters (thankfully we aren't in 1890 anymore), I would say that any need to improve charisma is only to offset circumstance modifiers for bigotry. Totally not something I want introduced into my core rules, but the "charisma bonus" begs the question of why they develop it.</p><p></p><p>And "elven evasion"? Wasn't one of the big complaints about elves in 3E that elves were archetypal wizards, but statistically sucked at it? Why not actually address what the players want?</p><p></p><p>Things are still in playtest and development, so I hope that at least elves are fixed. Still, the inclusion of tiefling in the PHB and these early indicators of what the other races will be like has me quite concerned that WotC will end up exactly where I put Malhavoc. Which is to say, some really, really great rules systems that support flavor I don't care for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 3709273, member: 5100"] My main concern isn't with the fact that they are typing the races -- I think the mechanics will be sound and flexible. My concern is that, other than dwarves, I don't think WotC has the same definition of the races as I do. Half-elves as the social masters has always seemed a bit contrived to me. They have to get along with both races, so they're charismatic? Um... go ask someone of mixed black and white parentage if they find they are better able to work with both blacks and whites. In an area where race matters (thankfully we aren't in 1890 anymore), I would say that any need to improve charisma is only to offset circumstance modifiers for bigotry. Totally not something I want introduced into my core rules, but the "charisma bonus" begs the question of why they develop it. And "elven evasion"? Wasn't one of the big complaints about elves in 3E that elves were archetypal wizards, but statistically sucked at it? Why not actually address what the players want? Things are still in playtest and development, so I hope that at least elves are fixed. Still, the inclusion of tiefling in the PHB and these early indicators of what the other races will be like has me quite concerned that WotC will end up exactly where I put Malhavoc. Which is to say, some really, really great rules systems that support flavor I don't care for. [/QUOTE]
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