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<blockquote data-quote="Murrdox" data-source="post: 852083" data-attributes="member: 10131">I'm not sure why you guys are comparing races with several class levels attached to them.I mean, since an Avariel is a +3 ECL, OBVIOUSLY he's not going to be as powerful a Paladin as an Aasimar.&nbsp; That's the trade-off you take when picking a +ECL race.&nbsp; Your class level isn't going to be as high as it would be normally.&nbsp; You're trading some levels for extra abilities.First of all, IMHO, Aasimar's are VERY high end +1's, almost to the point of being +2.&nbsp; I've been tempted to house-rule them up to +2 many times.&nbsp; In my mind, their ability bonuses and spell like abilities are pretty powerful.&nbsp; However, if I made them a +2, they'd be a really LOW end +2... so that's why I keep them at +1, even though they're a bit over-powered.Avariels get a net +6 to their base attributes.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is disgusting!&nbsp; This much of a bonus in and of itself warrents a +2 ECL, in my mind.&nbsp; When you add flight and their improved elf abilities to that, they become low-end +3.Not all ECL races are exactly equal.&nbsp; You guys are silly to try and balance them out thinking that they should be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Murrdox, post: 852083, member: 10131"] I'm not sure why you guys are comparing races with several class levels attached to them. I mean, since an Avariel is a +3 ECL, OBVIOUSLY he's not going to be as powerful a Paladin as an Aasimar. That's the trade-off you take when picking a +ECL race. Your class level isn't going to be as high as it would be normally. You're trading some levels for extra abilities. First of all, IMHO, Aasimar's are VERY high end +1's, almost to the point of being +2. I've been tempted to house-rule them up to +2 many times. In my mind, their ability bonuses and spell like abilities are pretty powerful. However, if I made them a +2, they'd be a really LOW end +2... so that's why I keep them at +1, even though they're a bit over-powered. Avariels get a net +6 to their base attributes. This is disgusting! This much of a bonus in and of itself warrents a +2 ECL, in my mind. When you add flight and their improved elf abilities to that, they become low-end +3. Not all ECL races are exactly equal. You guys are silly to try and balance them out thinking that they should be. [/QUOTE]

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