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<blockquote data-quote="Navar" data-source="post: 2032821" data-attributes="member: 2313"><p>The only thing that got me was how negative your comments sounded. Prebanning stuff to me seems il conceived. I don't think that game balance suffers if you make each "Race" better at 1 class than every other race. Dwarfs already make good fighters, but Humans also make good fighters. So they have sub levels that make them a little better. The Elf wizard levels (if I understand them correctly) give an elf wizard 2 bonus feats that are preselected, but you can't specialize. BUT a human can get ANY 1 feat. That seems VERY balanced to me. If the edge goes to the Elf then that is a good thing because humans should be good at everything and not the best at anything, but with the bonus feat, and skill points they seem to be better at a LOT of classes.</p><p></p><p>On a related note, the jack of all trades ability is not a boon. Esp at level 7+. At level 7 you can have 10 ranks in a class skill and should have an ability mod of +3 (At least) for important skills. With an average roll of 11 on a d20 (actually 10.5, but lets call it 11 for this case) an average DC for any skill check is 24 round this up to 25 for ease of working with numbers. 10 ranks + 3 mod + 11 average roll = 24. So if you have the jack of all trades (or the elf one) you get +1 to all skills you don’t have ranks in, and you can make checks untrained. But still if a skill is unimportant to you, you likely don’t have more than a +3 to the roll (from ability checks) and even then you can only get a DC 24 with a roll of a natural 20, and DC 25 checks are impossible for you. A good DM will allow you the chance to make obscure skill checks with low DCs just so the ability isn’t wasted, but in the long term game you will never actually be able to do anything worthwhile, and certainly won’t have the ability to change game balance. I honestly think that Jack of all Trades is a wasted feat, and the elf ability is good flavor, but doesn’t effect game balance in the least. </p><p></p><p>I for one don't like negativity (I know oxymoronic as that may sound) so when people complain about stuff so early it rubs me the wrong way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Navar, post: 2032821, member: 2313"] The only thing that got me was how negative your comments sounded. Prebanning stuff to me seems il conceived. I don't think that game balance suffers if you make each "Race" better at 1 class than every other race. Dwarfs already make good fighters, but Humans also make good fighters. So they have sub levels that make them a little better. The Elf wizard levels (if I understand them correctly) give an elf wizard 2 bonus feats that are preselected, but you can't specialize. BUT a human can get ANY 1 feat. That seems VERY balanced to me. If the edge goes to the Elf then that is a good thing because humans should be good at everything and not the best at anything, but with the bonus feat, and skill points they seem to be better at a LOT of classes. On a related note, the jack of all trades ability is not a boon. Esp at level 7+. At level 7 you can have 10 ranks in a class skill and should have an ability mod of +3 (At least) for important skills. With an average roll of 11 on a d20 (actually 10.5, but lets call it 11 for this case) an average DC for any skill check is 24 round this up to 25 for ease of working with numbers. 10 ranks + 3 mod + 11 average roll = 24. So if you have the jack of all trades (or the elf one) you get +1 to all skills you don’t have ranks in, and you can make checks untrained. But still if a skill is unimportant to you, you likely don’t have more than a +3 to the roll (from ability checks) and even then you can only get a DC 24 with a roll of a natural 20, and DC 25 checks are impossible for you. A good DM will allow you the chance to make obscure skill checks with low DCs just so the ability isn’t wasted, but in the long term game you will never actually be able to do anything worthwhile, and certainly won’t have the ability to change game balance. I honestly think that Jack of all Trades is a wasted feat, and the elf ability is good flavor, but doesn’t effect game balance in the least. I for one don't like negativity (I know oxymoronic as that may sound) so when people complain about stuff so early it rubs me the wrong way. [/QUOTE]
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