Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="GreenTengu" data-source="post: 7186379" data-attributes="member: 6777454">Well, I am not sure comparing what Dragonborn have is particularly appropriate. Giving characters with that race every advantage that 8' tall fire-breathing scaley skinned razor clawed winged dragon-people should have over humans would make them a truly over-the-top broken race. It was stupid to make Dragon-people a basic common race to begin with, it is kind of difficult to have any sort of antagonist who is going to be a conceptually bigger threat than that character regardless of the numbers written on the paper. It absolutely never should have been a valid PC race from the get-go, it should have been a primary antagonist race that maybe could be an appropriate choice some time after level 12. There most certainly should not be any bog-standard level 1 equivalent Dragonpeople in the world period. Its like having an Ogre with 4 HPs.However, 1d4 natural attack is... not actually go bad. Its basically the equivalent of being armed with the worst 1-handed melee weapon (and should require you to have both hands free to use it, but I am not sure the rules account for that) at all times and you can't be disarmed (which in battle is an absolutely useless maneuver anyway as it drops the weapon to their feet and it is a free action for someone to just pick their weapon right back up anyway.)Honestly, pretty much every single character class has a superior option to a 1d4 damage natural weapon available to them.The movement is... maybe a little too good. But it basically just lets you borrow movement from a future turn to use it this turn. But, sure... it is better than what just about any other race gets in terms of a basic ability.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreenTengu, post: 7186379, member: 6777454"] Well, I am not sure comparing what Dragonborn have is particularly appropriate. Giving characters with that race every advantage that 8' tall fire-breathing scaley skinned razor clawed winged dragon-people should have over humans would make them a truly over-the-top broken race. It was stupid to make Dragon-people a basic common race to begin with, it is kind of difficult to have any sort of antagonist who is going to be a conceptually bigger threat than that character regardless of the numbers written on the paper. It absolutely never should have been a valid PC race from the get-go, it should have been a primary antagonist race that [I]maybe [/I] could be an appropriate choice some time after level 12. There most certainly should not be any bog-standard level 1 equivalent Dragonpeople in the world period. Its like having an Ogre with 4 HPs. However, 1d4 natural attack is... not actually go bad. Its basically the equivalent of being armed with the worst 1-handed melee weapon (and should require you to have both hands free to use it, but I am not sure the rules account for that) at all times and you can't be disarmed (which in battle is an absolutely useless maneuver anyway as it drops the weapon to their feet and it is a free action for someone to just pick their weapon right back up anyway.) Honestly, pretty much every single character class has a superior option to a 1d4 damage natural weapon available to them. The movement is... maybe a little too good. But it basically just lets you borrow movement from a future turn to use it this turn. But, sure... it is better than what just about any other race gets in terms of a basic ability. [/QUOTE]

Verification