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<blockquote data-quote="ccs" data-source="post: 7186550" data-attributes="member: 6803664">??&nbsp; What are you talking about?&nbsp; A 1/2orcs abilities are:Str +2, Con +1 &nbsp; Ok, so extra Str isn't that great a draw for the arcane casters &amp; if you're looking to play certain classes you might wish that you could could put that +2 elsewhere.&nbsp; But if that were so important you would've picked some other race, right?The extra Con?&nbsp; Who doesn't want more Con?&nbsp; Point them out to us.But at no point does the 1/2orc player lose access to these.With these bonuses, were I to play a class the 1/2orc doesn't excel in (like cleric for ex) I'd just look at it as a free bonus to a stat I was already likely putting a lower # in.Darkvision &nbsp; No class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way.Menacing - prof. in Intimidation&nbsp; Again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way.&nbsp; What # you assign to your Cha will impact it, but that's YOU'RE choice.&nbsp; This is here to reflect the flavor of the race.Relentless Endurance&nbsp;&nbsp; Again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way.&nbsp; In fact, if you're playing a class that's less durable than the fighters/barbarians/paladins/whatever, it's probably MORE valuable.&nbsp; I know I've dropped the parties rogue, sorcerer, &amp; bard to zero HP plenty of times.&nbsp; They aren't playing 1/2orcs.&nbsp; I'm sure they'd appreciate this ability if they could snag it.Savage Attacks&nbsp; Scoring extra damage on crits with melee weapons....&nbsp; Let me repeat:&nbsp; Again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way.&nbsp; True, it might not come into play very often if you're one of the arcane casters.&nbsp; But if it does, BONUS!&nbsp; Everyone else?&nbsp; They'll make decent use of it.&nbsp; Especially those rogue types that like to sneak attack things....Languages&nbsp; Um, ok.&nbsp; You speak/read common &amp; orc.&nbsp; And again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way.So it boils down to mostly the arcane caster 1/2orcs won't be maximizing their +2 str &amp; ability to deal extra crit damage with melee weapons.But no abilities lost, &amp; you certainly are not restricted to playing only Barbarians/Fighters/Paladins &amp; maybe clerics....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ccs, post: 7186550, member: 6803664"] ?? What are you talking about? A 1/2orcs abilities are: [B]Str +2, Con +1 [/B] Ok, so extra Str isn't that great a draw for the arcane casters & if you're looking to play certain classes you might wish that you could could put that +2 elsewhere. But if that were so important you would've picked some other race, right? The extra Con? Who doesn't want more Con? Point them out to us. But at no point does the 1/2orc player lose access to these. With these bonuses, were I to play a class the 1/2orc doesn't excel in (like cleric for ex) I'd just look at it as a free bonus to a stat I was already likely putting a lower # in. [B]Darkvision [/B] No class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way. [B]Menacing - prof. in Intimidation[/B] Again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way. What # you assign to your Cha will impact it, but that's YOU'RE choice. This is here to reflect the flavor of the race. [B]Relentless Endurance[/B] Again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way. In fact, if you're playing a class that's less durable than the fighters/barbarians/paladins/whatever, it's probably MORE valuable. I know I've dropped the parties rogue, sorcerer, & bard to zero HP plenty of times. They aren't playing 1/2orcs. I'm sure they'd appreciate this ability if they could snag it. [B]Savage Attacks[/B] Scoring extra damage on crits with melee weapons.... Let me repeat: Again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way. True, it might not come into play very often if you're one of the arcane casters. But if it does, BONUS! Everyone else? They'll make decent use of it. Especially those rogue types that like to sneak attack things.... [B]Languages[/B] Um, ok. You speak/read common & orc. And again, no class choice negates the usefulness of this in any way. So it boils down to mostly the arcane caster 1/2orcs won't be maximizing their +2 str & ability to deal extra crit damage with melee weapons. But no abilities lost, & you certainly are not restricted to playing only Barbarians/Fighters/Paladins & maybe clerics.... [/QUOTE]

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