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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dangerous jack" data-source="post: 5910997" data-attributes="member: 23654">I think it can depend on two things.  One is your view of what the different races represent:* Elves are only as different from humans as the different human races: no racial modifiers* The average elf is a little more dextrous and has slightly lower constitution than a human: +1 dex, -1 con* Elves exhibit unearthly grace, but are frighteningly frail: +4 dex, -4 conThe other is what the stats represent.  If they are closely tied to the core combat performance (e.g. if you want to hit someone then you need a high strength), then I grudgingly prefer the +1/-1.  If you can get rid of combat dependence and have stats mostly affect skills & role-playing (with maybe increased damage for high strength, or more opportunities for criticals with a high dex) then I definitely prefer races to be incredibly distinct (+4/-4).What I don't like is the limitation that all races have to have +1/-1.  Why not have +1/-1 and +2/-1/-1 in the same game, or even a +4 str/-4 dex/-2 int/-2 cha hill giant that is balanced by other racial abilities?If I'm playing in a game that allows some characters to have an innate teleportation ability (e.g. 4e eladrin), why is it so wrong to have a race that transcends human limits?</blockquote>