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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 3677619" data-attributes="member: 16285">The problem is that CR is never a straight forward calculation. That is what complicates any such broad statements.Party Level is the average level of the party (this IMO is the ECL of each party member).That is the basis used to determine the "appropriate" EL.Backing out from the CR tables is what is used to determine the EL and what is the appropriate CR (and thus "creatures") for an encounter.So for PCs, at least, the character level is their CR.  This is a huge simplification since CR is always subject to "tweaking" and the CR listed in the MMs do not have an absolute direct correlation to character levels.Monster hit dice count as class levels for essentially all purposes - max skill ranks, number of feats, number of skill points, etc. So to say they are not equivalent of class levels is, at least to me, a very weak statement.</blockquote>