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<blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4970291" data-attributes="member: 72317">That's only for the lower lvs. At mid lvs, once the ogre has the benefit of a few class lvs, the drawbacks don't seem as debilitating. So while I probably wouldn't start out as an ogre PC in a lv6 campaign (like RHoD), I might consider playing one in a game which starts off at higher lvs (like CoTSQ). An ogre fighter5 too would have melee weapon mastery. The con bonus starts making up for the loss of HD, and your str more than replaces the lost bab. The extra gold for large eq (really just armour and weapons) is negligible considering the sheer amount of gold you have (unless you are acquiring mithral/adamantine gear).It appears that there are clear thresholds, instances when a PC of ECLX outshines a monster of that lv, moments when the 2 are comparable, and situations when a monster with class lvs clearly outshines a pure-classed PC.How do you balance something like that?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Runestar, post: 4970291, member: 72317"] That's only for the lower lvs. At mid lvs, once the ogre has the benefit of a few class lvs, the drawbacks don't seem as debilitating. So while I probably wouldn't start out as an ogre PC in a lv6 campaign (like RHoD), I might consider playing one in a game which starts off at higher lvs (like CoTSQ). An ogre fighter5 too would have melee weapon mastery. The con bonus starts making up for the loss of HD, and your str more than replaces the lost bab. The extra gold for large eq (really just armour and weapons) is negligible considering the sheer amount of gold you have (unless you are acquiring mithral/adamantine gear). It appears that there are clear thresholds, instances when a PC of ECLX outshines a monster of that lv, moments when the 2 are comparable, and situations when a monster with class lvs clearly outshines a pure-classed PC. How do you balance something like that? [/QUOTE]

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