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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8044991" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Ok, this was your idea:So, using RAW, WIS 16 is +3I am not proficient: no bonusI am proficient: +3 for WIS onlyI have expertise: +3 (WIS) plus proficiency bonus (so +2 to +6)Attacks and proficient saves are basically always "expertise" and add the proficiency bonus. This is what is no longer "universal" when I say that. Proficiency would mean one thing for skills, and yet another thing for attacks and proficient saves. I suppose this would it imply non-proficient saves would still add ability modifiers, even though non-proficient ability checks won't add anything.For skills, proficiency means one thing; for attacks/saves it would mean "expertise", i.e. something else. Those aren't the same, thus not "universal". In 5E as is, they all mean the same thing. That's just something I've been trying to avoid doing.Also, since so few classes get expertise in skills, only rogues and bards will add proficiency bonus to skills unless you take Prodigy or have a class feature which "doubles your proficiency bonus", which (since this is really "expertise") I assume would allow adding the normal proficiency bonus. It means more PCs will fail at skill checks, and you either need to accept that reality or adjust skill checks--even more work.</blockquote>