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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 1741799" data-attributes="member: 23484">Thanks.I knew that it counted as a class skill for their racial dice;&nbsp; it was beyond that (when the monster levels) where keeping it as a class skill would really help; which is why I used 1 hit die examples.I think the problem with the gnoll remains, though, particularly if he goes on to get levels: if I understand you, in most classes he will lose the ability to max his spot and listen, and his 2.5s elsewhere end up being very badly innvested. At a 14 int, he can have 2 skills at 5, two cc-skills at 2 and one at 1 (ugh!) but at 12 or 16 int, he will always have an extra half point. Which means he can't even realize the benefits of having it in a skill that becomes a class skill--it always has to be something that stays cross-class once he levels, or just bite the further loss of skill points (as if he weren't handicapped enough!).&nbsp; What's Bart Simpson's line? &quot;This both sucks and blows at the same time.&quot;Thanks, though, for your help and confirmation of what I thought I knew.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kobold Stew, post: 1741799, member: 23484"] Thanks. I knew that it counted as a class skill for their racial dice; it was beyond that (when the monster levels) where keeping it as a class skill would really help; which is why I used 1 hit die examples. I think the problem with the gnoll remains, though, particularly if he goes on to get levels: if I understand you, in most classes he will lose the ability to max his spot and listen, and his 2.5s elsewhere end up being very badly innvested. At a 14 int, he can have 2 skills at 5, two cc-skills at 2 and one at 1 (ugh!) but at 12 or 16 int, he will always have an extra half point. Which means he can't even realize the benefits of having it in a skill that becomes a class skill--it always has to be something that stays cross-class once he levels, or just bite the further loss of skill points (as if he weren't handicapped enough!). What's Bart Simpson's line? "This both sucks and blows at the same time." Thanks, though, for your help and confirmation of what I thought I knew. [/QUOTE]

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