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<blockquote data-quote="MJS" data-source="post: 6210381" data-attributes="member: 6747144"><p>Evil humanoids represent the evil of humankind. There are Orcs in the real world. There are vampires, trolls, and all manner of evil <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> in the real world. There is a Catoblepas on the corner of Broadway and Congress St.</p><p> But fantasy conceptions of evil do not point to any particular ethnic group. Orcs are not non-whites. The KKK are Orcs with an Evil God.</p><p> </p><p> So, I have no problem with evil in a fantasy setting, indeed, it's needed. IMC, however, any humanoid can be any alignment, but in general, they follow the MM listing, because they were created by mythic Goddesses and Gods that also represent the strengths and weaknesses of humanity, and human attempts at conceptualizing reality - Law, Chaos, the Elements, etc. I do like mixing it up some, though, like a LE nation of High Elves, and rebels within it.</p><p></p><p>It's the same with Star Trek. Klingons aren't black Japanese people. They represent a warrior archetype which resounds with us all. </p><p></p><p>All of this doesn't mean that the effects of racism, and sexism, and homophobia, do not touch RPG's - they must - but because racism is <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, even if, say, Tolkien was hugely racist, the <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> backfires, and points at the perpetrator. It always does.</p><p></p><p>Fantasy is an escape, but it also mirrors. We adventure into the unknown, and confront monsters along the way, growing stronger, or being destroyed. While eating pizza. It's good.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: darkorange"><strong>Mod Note:</strong> Such language! Please note that our language filter is not an excuse to let loose with profanity. Please keep it civil and family-friendly in the future. Thanks. ~Umbran</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MJS, post: 6210381, member: 6747144"] Evil humanoids represent the evil of humankind. There are Orcs in the real world. There are vampires, trolls, and all manner of evil :):):):) in the real world. There is a Catoblepas on the corner of Broadway and Congress St. But fantasy conceptions of evil do not point to any particular ethnic group. Orcs are not non-whites. The KKK are Orcs with an Evil God. So, I have no problem with evil in a fantasy setting, indeed, it's needed. IMC, however, any humanoid can be any alignment, but in general, they follow the MM listing, because they were created by mythic Goddesses and Gods that also represent the strengths and weaknesses of humanity, and human attempts at conceptualizing reality - Law, Chaos, the Elements, etc. I do like mixing it up some, though, like a LE nation of High Elves, and rebels within it. It's the same with Star Trek. Klingons aren't black Japanese people. They represent a warrior archetype which resounds with us all. All of this doesn't mean that the effects of racism, and sexism, and homophobia, do not touch RPG's - they must - but because racism is :):):):):):):):), even if, say, Tolkien was hugely racist, the :):):):):):):):) backfires, and points at the perpetrator. It always does. Fantasy is an escape, but it also mirrors. We adventure into the unknown, and confront monsters along the way, growing stronger, or being destroyed. While eating pizza. It's good. [color=darkorange][B]Mod Note:[/B] Such language! Please note that our language filter is not an excuse to let loose with profanity. Please keep it civil and family-friendly in the future. Thanks. ~Umbran[/color] [/QUOTE]
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