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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 6210718" data-attributes="member: 8835">Just to bring the ST:Klingons back into scope for the topic (sorry for hijacking):Consider Klingons in TOS to be akin to Orcs in D&D 1E era.  Klingons are bad, kill Klingons.Actual exposure to klingons is during episodes where we see them doing bad things.  So you COULD interpret that Kirk is a racist who hates Klingons, but there's no ulterior motive for that.  He doesn't need to justify violence against Klingons because they are Klingons.  The Klingons are doing bad things, and he IS justified in stopping them, regardless of his feelings for them.Additionally, as I'm re-watching TOS now (near the end of season 2 finally), while Kirk or some redshirt may at times a bit strongy (Klingon!), Kirk always acts with restraint despite any kneejerk pre-judice he might have.  He effectively controls his base human nature to react negatively to the "outsiders" and choose better behavior.Orcs in early D&D can be construed the same way.  As long as we're not seeing Orc villages and babies being killed by Paladins, we're not making racist/pre-judicial judgements in the context of D&D.  The party comes across a caravan being attack by Orc Raiders.  What do they do?  the decision has less to do with their race, than the unlawful activity going on.Now in ST:TNG, we're shown Klingons in a different context (and in fact, direct animosity between humans and klingons is greatly diminished and instead is used to portray prejudicial behavior as a bad thing.So in D&D now-ish, if you've got Orcs being portrayed as "just another society with a dental problem" then you're also not likely using them as the villainous foil for the PCs to unleash justice upon.</blockquote>

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