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<blockquote data-quote="Llamas Notsheep" data-source="post: 4906702" data-attributes="member: 69006">I don't find SOC to be particularly cheesy.&nbsp; Power gamey, maybe, but not cheesey.&nbsp; You're still playing an avenger, focusing on avenger powers and avenger flavor.&nbsp; It just happens to be the one way (aside from half elf twin strike) avengers keep up.&nbsp; I did some maths, and an optimized SOC avenger is still significantly lower in DPR than a rogue/daggermaster at the same level.&nbsp; But it's close enough to still be an effective striker in paragon.&nbsp; IIRC the numbers were low-mid 30s DPR in early paragon for the SOC avenger, and upper 30s for the rogue.&nbsp; I had previously been playing a rogue in this campaign, and rolled up the avenger with PHB2 came out, just to try something new and a little more varied.&nbsp; I'm still very pleased with the change 4 levels later, despite doing somewhat less damage.For the Divine Empowerment feat, my DM and I talked it over and figured that, on average I get around 2-3 OAs per encounter (since avengers tend to try to isolate their targets... less action around you, at least some of the time).&nbsp; I tend not to charge all that often, although that may change somewhat now that I have a radiant basic.&nbsp; Still, 2-4 normal attacks gone radiant per encounter seemed reasonable for a paragon feat.&nbsp; To both of us.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Llamas Notsheep, post: 4906702, member: 69006"] I don't find SOC to be particularly cheesy. Power gamey, maybe, but not cheesey. You're still playing an avenger, focusing on avenger powers and avenger flavor. It just happens to be the one way (aside from half elf twin strike) avengers keep up. I did some maths, and an optimized SOC avenger is still significantly lower in DPR than a rogue/daggermaster at the same level. But it's close enough to still be an effective striker in paragon. IIRC the numbers were low-mid 30s DPR in early paragon for the SOC avenger, and upper 30s for the rogue. I had previously been playing a rogue in this campaign, and rolled up the avenger with PHB2 came out, just to try something new and a little more varied. I'm still very pleased with the change 4 levels later, despite doing somewhat less damage. For the Divine Empowerment feat, my DM and I talked it over and figured that, on average I get around 2-3 OAs per encounter (since avengers tend to try to isolate their targets... less action around you, at least some of the time). I tend not to charge all that often, although that may change somewhat now that I have a radiant basic. Still, 2-4 normal attacks gone radiant per encounter seemed reasonable for a paragon feat. To both of us. [/QUOTE]

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