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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4817835" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>There are other ways to help with the will save. Steadfast Determination feat...</p><p></p><p>The exalted rage feat is probably the closest thing to a definite "will not attack the party" counter you could find. Exalted FBs really shouldn't be that commonplace, though.</p><p></p><p>There is also Tome of Battle maneuvers. One of them, available to use at ECL 2+, or level 1 if you start in a martial adept class, allows you to as an immediate action use a concentration check instead of a will save, and 1 is not an auto-fail. Note that this would only help to avoid going into a frenzy, not any will saves the DM might ask for to try and keep yourself from killing your friends -- you cannot make concentration checks in a rage/frenzy. Also, since Concentration isn't a class skill for Barbarian or FB, you would need an adept class with a few levels, or a feat to make it a class skill, just to really advance your skill modifier. And unless you have an adept class to recover maneuvers, it could only be used once/encounter, which iirc means once every 5 minutes outside of combat. I think it follows the same guidelines as skill tricks in that regard...</p><p></p><p>The other ToB option, and MUCH more debateable as to whether or not it works is the Iron Heart Surge maneuver, which as a standard action allows you to end any one effect, condition, etc... affecting you that has a duration longer than 1 round or instantaneous. It could not be used as a reaction to a will save trigger, only after you enter frenzy. Which means a lot of people think you should not be able to take a standard action to use it, since you're in an involuntary psychotic killing frenzy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4817835, member: 35909"] There are other ways to help with the will save. Steadfast Determination feat... The exalted rage feat is probably the closest thing to a definite "will not attack the party" counter you could find. Exalted FBs really shouldn't be that commonplace, though. There is also Tome of Battle maneuvers. One of them, available to use at ECL 2+, or level 1 if you start in a martial adept class, allows you to as an immediate action use a concentration check instead of a will save, and 1 is not an auto-fail. Note that this would only help to avoid going into a frenzy, not any will saves the DM might ask for to try and keep yourself from killing your friends -- you cannot make concentration checks in a rage/frenzy. Also, since Concentration isn't a class skill for Barbarian or FB, you would need an adept class with a few levels, or a feat to make it a class skill, just to really advance your skill modifier. And unless you have an adept class to recover maneuvers, it could only be used once/encounter, which iirc means once every 5 minutes outside of combat. I think it follows the same guidelines as skill tricks in that regard... The other ToB option, and MUCH more debateable as to whether or not it works is the Iron Heart Surge maneuver, which as a standard action allows you to end any one effect, condition, etc... affecting you that has a duration longer than 1 round or instantaneous. It could not be used as a reaction to a will save trigger, only after you enter frenzy. Which means a lot of people think you should not be able to take a standard action to use it, since you're in an involuntary psychotic killing frenzy. [/QUOTE]
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