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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 6673630" data-attributes="member: 9501">Being a deity didn't mean anything back then though. They were just a bunch of stats in the monster manual, and therefore monsters to fight. The deities in Deities and Demigods where wildly differing in power, both combat and influence. Only 3rd edition really gave deity a special meaning as far as their stats were concerned, with their ability to always roll 20 and such like. This vastly elevated a deity beyond that of a demon prince in combat terms but not in influence especiallySo in pure combat terms, in 5e, we have Tiamat at CR30 (not 25) and Demogorgon (the toughest demon) at 25+. I expect the other princes to be in the 22 to 25 region. It all seems about right to me. Put them much higher and there is no point in having stats for them at all. Tiamat is almost unbeatable at that CR anyway.It looks like Wizards have gone for the more 1e style of gods, demon princes and arch devils, where with the right story they are creatures to be fought.</blockquote>