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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1238626" data-attributes="member: 2629">By definition, emotion is responsive to the environment. If unaware of the environment, emotion is impossible.When unconcious, you are unaware of your environment. Unconciousness does not state that? What is the 'that' of which you speak? That you can not be frenzied or screaming while unconcious? I think I'd be safe in saying that frenzied screaming is impossible while unconcious, regardless of whether it is stated in the book specifically.  This is not about what we should prefer or personally think was intended by the written rules. It is about being able to reasonably draw the conclusion that rage ends when unconcious from the rules and about whether that conclusion can be based upon real world logic. I've only been saying that both things are possible, whether you (or any one specific person) agree with that interpretation or not. I stand behind my statements: There is nothing in the rules that specifically says rage continues when unconciousness occurs and there are enough real world reasons that can be applied to the situation that a person COULD come to the conclusion that rage should end when unconciousness sets in. Note that I am not saying that they must or should come to that conclusion. Just that they *could* come to that conclusion with a reasonable train of thought and without violating a specific rule that is clearly stated. Again, I disagree. The book does not contain the sentence: "The barbarian's rage continues if the barbarian loses conciousness." The rule states a duration, but doesn't specify (and I do mean specify - specifically - using these words) all criteria under which the effect ends. Lacking that exhaustive list, we must consider that there might be other ways in which the rage ends. Does rage end when a raging barbarian dies? Is the corpse in a screaming blood frenzy? Or does the character's soul go to his God in a ascreaming bloody frenzy? ("Welcome to heaven ... please stop drooling on the clouds!")For some people, the idea that a loss of conciousness would implicitly end rage because being unconcious would end a blood frenzy is quite logical. Unless the book specifies (and I do mean specify - specifically - using these words) that unconciousness does not end a rage, there is room for argument. As long as there is room for argument, there is room for a DM to adopt this position.I'm not asking you to agree with the conclusion that rage ends with unconciousness. I'm just saying that if you look at it from the perspective of the people that think the book supports that issue, you'll see that they have an argument, whether you agree with it or not.That being said, I've already spent too much time on this issue. I'm done with it.</blockquote>

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