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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1238855" data-attributes="member: 2629">I said I was finished with this topic, but I'll let you draw me in one last time. After this, though, I am done.Screaming is an adjective used to describe the frenzy. The frenzied state is the key. Would he still be frenzied? Yes. That would be enough for me.As for the dreaming dog or unconcious athlete arguments: People knocked unconcious do not dream in that state. Athletes may cry or twitch while knocked out, but those art involuntary bodily responses. Further, except in very rare circumstances, a knocked out football player has nothing to do with someone that collapses on the floor due to numerous cuts and abrassions. Being knocked out on a football field is more akin to being knocked down via subdual damage than being taken down by wounds.As I've said, I'm done with this argument. You're not even having the same discussion that I am. Your arguments are aimed at proving the argument is not as solid as your side of the argument. They do nothing to undercut the possibility of my argument. By stating the foundation of the argument, I've proven that it can exist. That is all that is necessary for my point to be true. Someone *can* adopt that argument and have *a* basis for their argument that is not *completely* impossible to be adopted without *specifically* violating the rules.I'm done. Good luck.</blockquote>