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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Beginning of the End" data-source="post: 5402579" data-attributes="member: 55271">So, to sum up:(1) It's wrong for you because it doesn't work for people you no longer play with.(2) Describing them as "dysfunctional" was a cheap shot, but they were dysfunctional enough that you no longer play with "people like that".Okay. Whatever floats your boat.Nobody did that. Get down off your cross.I'm not really following your logic here. As the GM I have a huge impact on what goes into the game world. Not only is the entire game world permeated with stuff I want to do, but I have a nearly constant input into the events of the campaign.Take the Dragon Church example I posted: I controlled the False Pope, Abanar, Gemmell, and the knights. I was able to take action through all of those characters. Even if we discount all the other ways that a GM can fill the campaign world with stuff they enjoy, I'm a little hazy on why -- given the fact that I'm controlling a vast cast of dozens of characters in any given session -- my enjoyment must be contingent on also taking away the players' ability to control their PCs?Your position seems to be "if the GM isn't taking away control of the PCs, he has no input into the campaign at all". I'm not clear on how you managed to reach such a conclusion.There are two possibilities:(1) The group is okay with PC death and TPK. In which case, this isn't a problem.(2) The group isn't okay with PC death and TPK. In which case, why would I take a situation which can be adjudicated in so many different ways and choose the one thing the group isn't going to be okay with?It's a false dilemma.You appear to be very confused. I offered four different possible  outcomes. Only one of them featured an alternative path to the Norworld  mission.You are replying as if I was advocating a railroad, when I was actually saying exactly the opposite. I recommend reading more carefully in the future before hitting the "Reply" button.</blockquote>

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