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Rain of Steel: Modifiers?
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<blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 4833986" data-attributes="member: 43019"><p>It doesn't make them move. They get hit by the effect regardless - it's on the start of their turn, so it's in the hand of the fighter as to whether he wants to move up.</p><p></p><p>It's not a strawman, or at least not intended as one. Both stances have a reason not to be by the fighter with a significant lack of control over that option by it being start of turn. Once you've taken the damage from the start of your turn, Rain of Steel _ceases to have any effect_ so there's no additional reason not to go ahead and do whatever you want, such as attacking the wizard.</p><p></p><p>Whereas the effect I listed beefs up all of the retaliation abilities the fighter has for defense, and gives the enemy a penalty to attack his allies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keterys, post: 4833986, member: 43019"] It doesn't make them move. They get hit by the effect regardless - it's on the start of their turn, so it's in the hand of the fighter as to whether he wants to move up. It's not a strawman, or at least not intended as one. Both stances have a reason not to be by the fighter with a significant lack of control over that option by it being start of turn. Once you've taken the damage from the start of your turn, Rain of Steel _ceases to have any effect_ so there's no additional reason not to go ahead and do whatever you want, such as attacking the wizard. Whereas the effect I listed beefs up all of the retaliation abilities the fighter has for defense, and gives the enemy a penalty to attack his allies. [/QUOTE]
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